Bolivia Resists China’s Subversion

Bolivia Resists China’s Subversion


On this episode of China Uncensored, when Chinese state media brag about deeper ties between China and Bolivia… …you know Bolivia is deep trouble. Hi, welcome back to China Uncensored I’m your host Chris Chappell. I want to share with you an exciting story of resistance against an oppressive regime. I’m not talking about China. And no, I’m not talking about the Last Jedi. There are some controversies I just will not
touch. I’m talking about the resistance in Bolivia, against President-for-life Evo Morales. Bolivia is one of the poorest countries in
South America. So what is propping Morales up? Well, like many countries, Bolivia is part of China’s Belt and Road
Initiative. And that could be bad news for a lot of ordinary citizens in Bolivia. I sat down with Bolivian activist, member of the resistance, and possible Jedi Jhanisse Vaca-Daza on the sidelines of the Oslo Freedom Forum
in New York. Well thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. So, for people who don’t really know much about the situation in Bolivia, what’s going on there right now? Okay, Bolivia is in the middle of South America, and we are a country that is currently going
through a democratic crisis that has been seen previously in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Ecuador, we’re just not at the tipping point quite
yet. But, you have a president, so it’s a Democracy
right? It’s a competitive authoritarianism so it’s a weird hybrid between Democracy and
Dictatorship. We do have political- That sounds awesome. opposition parties, it’s so great but everything is controlled by the state at the end of the
day, and there is a big resistance movement, a citizen movement because the president asked
the country in a referendum if we wanted to have a change
to the constitution to make it legal for the president to be re-elected
indefinitely. We said no. We won. We had a high percentage of the vote, but then he turned to the constitutional court and had them make it legal to be re-elected
indefinitely. Okay. Our elections are next year. People are protesting we want him to obey the results of the referendum but we’re not quite sure where it’s gonna
go yet. Why wouldn’t you want a president for life? Why wouldn’t we- They have that in China, it’s great. It’s works so well right? It does. I think it’s worked very well for other countries
too but, the funny part, the irony out of all of this is that our president is an indigenous president, which has worked very well in his favor. Our country was the first one to have the rights of the environment as mother earth recognizes part of the constitution, but then again there are several human rights
violations to indigenous people in Bolivia. They are being displaced off their national and natural parks right now. Even under the current- Under the current president- President Morales. and purposefully, he applied the supreme decree, 1366 on May this year, which says that our natural parks and indigenous
areas can be opened for hydro carbon exploration, and guess which companies are doing such explorations
right now. Nicaragua? Definitely, no. China. Oh, hey that was my second guess. Yup. So, China has taken an interest in Bolivia? A high, high, high, interest. China is actually on a bilateral level, China owns 80% of our external debt. 80%? 80%, yes. We used to receive a lot of funds from Venezuela, because our economy is very much- They don’t have much to give for funding- Then things changed for those guys, and we were like where should we go. That’s funny they were also getting a lot of investment from China. Weren’t they? I’m sure it’ll work out for Bolivia though. That’s what I’m saying, there’s a pattern that’s being repeated and that’s why we need to raise awareness about
this because we already have a huge crisis in Venezuela, we have a very violent crisis in Nicaragua, you don’t want Bolivia to go there especially
because Bolivia is in the middle of South America. We’re very well connected to the countries
around us, and then at the same time there’s a high level of Narco traffic and coca production in Bolivia, because it’s actually legal to grow coca in
my country. It’s legal? It’s legal, yeah- Are there non cocaine reasons you can have
coca? Most definitely, there are a lot of typical ways to use coca
for tea, for medicine, but this current government, again, president indigenous and also leader of the
coca growers unions, that’s where he came from. He’s taking the permits to grow coca and giving it only to the areas that take it to Narco traffic. There is a UN study that says that those areas, 97% of the production goes towards Narco traffic and the areas where they actually use it for
the typical legal ways to produce coca are not getting the permits
anymore, so they’ve been protesting and we’ve had several
coca growers protest under this government, which was unthinkable when he rose to power. President Morales is sort of using his image as an indigenous person representing the coca
growers to basically use this as a propaganda. Yes, most definitely, both inside and outside of the country. Outside of the country he’s really appreciated by the international community because of the respect for indigenous rights and mother
earth, while again inside the country we’ve seen
terrible, terrible damage to our natural areas. To take it to more specific examples, we’ve found in Chinese citizens and companies that are illegally trading our jaguars teeth
and skin, and every time we try to take this to trial because it’s illegal and jaguars are endangered
in my country, we haven’t been able to have them process. There’s just, there’s no rule of law in the
country at the moment, everything is co-opted by the executive branch but it’s affected even more because most of
our natural resources are being taken by Chinese companies. Can we just go back for a moment? Jaguar teeth and skin? What is that used for? It has a high value for collectors, I guess. The statements that were given to the press; farmers are getting paid $100 per jaguar and then the skin is being taken illegally
to China and Europe and other markets and it’s being sold (by)
ten times the price. So China is taking a real interest in Bolivia. Besides the poaching that’s happening, what else are they investing in? From 2013 until right now, $609 million have been invested by the Chinese
government in Bolivia and by 2025 it’ll be over $1 billion that are invested but here’s the catch: We invest in projects to create infrastructure
but we select, China says, who’s going to be the company
that carries and executes these types of projects and it’s normally always Chinese companies. Bolivian companies, business people and Bolivian
workers have absolutely no access to these projects. We are losing jobs, if you want to see it that way, we have absolutely
no control. There is no way to oversee these contracts and it’s a lot of money that’s being used
and at the same time, most of these projects either haven’t been
carried to the end so there are a lot of unfinished projects or they’ve been executed poorly and you have bridges that fall within a month. One of the biggest issues with this is, given
the morale, this government has successfully eroded the
independence of the different branches of government. You can’t hold them accountable. There’s no way to take this to trial because the trial’s just not going to work and if you make too much noise around it, like some of our environmental activists have
done, they get sued and persecuted judicially and they’re not able to continue doing their
activism. So you’re in a crossroads that’s really affecting our environment mainly, but also it’s part of a mission that is supporting my governments erosion of democracy which is going to have it’s tipping point in the elections next year. So Chinese investment. It’s not helping the local economy, it’s helping prop up what is essentially a
dictatorship and Bolivia’s one of the poorest countries
in South America. How are you going to pay back this debt? That is the main question that everyone has
right now. The current government rose to power with
a speech, and a rightful speech in a way, that we had been often selling our natural
resources to big external forces such as the empire, which is what they call the U.S. and right wing governments all the time. It’s like we just switched empires from one
to the other. China’s owning most of what we do. It’s the money that we’re getting from China is going to really unnecessary stuff. We’ve spent over $40 million buying two MA60
military airplanes which we absolutely don’t need, we’re not at war right now. Yeah but those are really cool. They are cool. And so there are $150 million that have been
spent on buying 6 helicopters for the president. And more thing I’d like to mention, we’ve spent over $250 million buying a satellite
from China and this happened recently after the government
nationalized the biggest telephone company in Bolivia which they are using through this satellite. At the same time, the satellite is allowing the national T.V.
station to be able to reach even more rural areas
than it could before. May I add this national T.V. station states
to be, is giving nothing but propaganda about the
government and it never reports on stuff like the crisis in Venezuela or Nicaragua, you don’t hear about that in this news. I am shocked. Can you believe? Do you see any similarities with any other
government that we may have been talking about? Interesting. So really in Bolivia you’re seeing the same
thing that you’re seeing in countries around the
world, particularly in Africa, but also in other places in South America
and Central America where China’s basically acting as sort of
modern day colonial power. Exactly. So China is extracting resources as well? What do they want from Bolivia? Our natural resources for sure and then you also have to keep in mind, Bolivia has the highest lithium reserves in
the world. Around 70% is estimated to be there, so you want to be in good relations with us,
in a way. At the same time, it’s a great way for China to expand it’s geo-political power in South America. Again we’re in the middle of everything. There’s a reason that Che Guevara wanted to start his revolution in Bolivia specifically. Very strategically located. It is very strategically located and then
you also have a country that has no rule of law so you can get away with not paying your workers
properly, not finishing the projects that you’re working
on, and also I should add, this is very important; there have been, not just Bolivian’s denouncing
this, but we also know the Chancellor of Bolivia spoke about this with the Chancellor of China. There are Chinese convicts that are taken
to Bolivia to finish their term in my country while working
on infrastructure projects or mining projects. They’re basically slavery conditions. They’re really doubling down on the colonialism. They are really going back to it and it’s really bad and at the same time, there’s no way to have it. Check and balance to oversee all this. Is China playing a direct role in the drug
trade? I wouldn’t dare say directly but there’s this one case that was really
big for my country. It’s about the TIPNIS. TIPNIS is the name of a national park that was also an indigenous territory that’s incredibly important for the ecosystem of
the entire country so it’s very protected by law, for years already. The TIPNIS is really close to the places where you grow coca and suddenly the government
came up with this plan that they were gonna build a road, executed by Chinese companies through the
middle of the TIPNIS which was not only unnecessary but suspicious
as it would make transporting coca a lot easier for them. Indigenous groups that live there, they had this big march towards La Paz, the city capital, and there was heavy, heavy,
violent repression against indigenous groups including children
and the elderly. It became a big problem and the government
tried to shut it down and after that they started persecuting the
activists and indigenous people that were talking about
this. China’s not necessarily clamping down on our
indigenous people but they are being the economic provider for all of this actions to happen otherwise we wouldn’t have these companies
going in. I wouldn’t dare to say that China is the one
strategist behind my government because we know that
it is Venezuela and Cuba that are sticking their nose inside my country. We do know that it is Chinese money, again, 80% of our external debt is to China only. They are the ones that are sustaining the
system, the authoritarian system that we have in Bolivia
right now. What’s even worse, no one’s is paying any attention. Well the audience of China Uncensored will
be paying attention. Well they better do- So what’s your role in all of this. As one of many activist in the resistance
movement, to Morales attempt to hold onto power for
even longer, we are trying to educate the citizenship of
Bolivia about what’s happening. Why these elections that are coming are really a very important moment for our democracy and at the same time we are doing that through
nonviolence. We’re really committed to nonviolent actions
from the citizenship. We’re really committed to strategic work and including different areas of Bolivia. If there is something that I do give to Morales’s
government, is that he brought representation to many
minorities that were previously ignored by the system. So we want to keep this, we want to keep this inclusion, this union that we have in the country but at the same time we want democracy. Most people from my generation have known no other president than Morales and it’s so
difficult to explain both to the international community and sometimes to people within the country that despite being an indigenous president, you have heavy violation to indigenous rights, environmental rights and you also have absolutely no rule of law. We’re trying to work with what we have. The movement I’m in is called Standing Rivers, Rios de Pie and again, we’re trying to translate all of this information through social media, nonviolent mobilization and education to other
people. If somebody wanted to learn more about your
group, what you’re doing or just the situation in
Bolivia, where would you point them to? To our Facebook page, Rios de Pie, Standing
Rivers. If you want to look out for me on social media or just checkout our many activists talking about Bolivia at the moment. It shouldn’t be difficult to pin us down on
the internet. We can definitely provide a link in the comments
section below. Yes please do and check our movement. You’re going to have such good laughs. We do a lot of relativism. We try to use humor as a way to educate people so our activities tend to be really funny
and strategic too. So you’re a laughtivist? Activist if you want because you need more
than laughter, you need to mobilize people on the street. Well thank you so much for joining us. That was very interesting. Thank you so much. It’s great to be able to bring some light
to this situation. Good luck to you Thanks! Hope you enjoyed that interview; but there’s more to know! Why don’t you give us a rundown of some of the things you talk about on the China Unscripted podcast? Yes, in this podcast we have a second Bolivian so it’s not just me. And we will be two Bolivians telling you about how the president is the reincarnation of indigenous gods. And also many other things, including corruption, as well as the influence of China within our elections and how that and how the played out for the election of the president indefinite, so there’s a lot more material to cover. Plus the story of a lovechild, and miners who throw dynamite! Yes, and how we’re using nonviolence to counter that. Effectively – They’re not using dynamite. No, we’re not using dynamite. Effective nonviolence we’re using though. …which is the best kind of dynamite.

100 Comments on "Bolivia Resists China’s Subversion"


  1. This guys channel is so toxic…. has this guy ever visited China? Probably not since he’s drown in debt….

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  2. OMG. This interview has a parallel story to the intervention of China to Bolivia to my country The Philippines.

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  3. @3:30 – the activist Vaca-Daza says Morales is limiting production of coca-production to his allies, but I could not find any reference to this in the English news. Wikipedia: "Outside of accepted limits, the Morales government has continued coca eradication efforts. Its 2011 eradication effort set a new record: over the first eleven months, 10,051 hectares were eradicated.[9] The strategy of the Morales government has been described as "combating drug trafficking by working cooperatively with coca growers to diversify crops and promote alternative development." In August 2015, the UN announced that coca cultivation was at its lowest in 13 years". See also https://www.democracynow.org/2015/9/15/operation_naked_king_secret_dea_sting – US DEA behind move to replace Morales.

    I think this activist is simply trying to make Morales unpopular since she is against his bid for lifetime president. I btw could care less about Bolivia (I've visited Peru once and that was about it), and don't support Morales bid to become president for life, but it seems there's not much evidence at the moment against him (other than circumstantial).

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  4. Non violent protests never works! Unless they put up a real resistance and fight back, they might as well give up and bend over while china sticks it's little ding a ling up their butts!

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  5. Interesting it seems the government in nz has let China buy massive sections of land in New Zealand that is not public knowledge. Also the Chinese are building infrastructure in Fiji etc for a share in their resources I would say.

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  6. so a women made the earth babies make mothers not the other way i made my body my cells my dna 90 percent of my blood i made my body not another body and they needed food to my body hands off thank you xx

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  7. the right not to be handled mother earth what walking around the pagian black stone clock wise some may claim it for idiological treasons and then supremisists can masscarade it as a religion its all clear to me xx

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  8. I'm from Bolivia and I can tell our goverment is slowly but surely becoming a dictatorship funded by narcotrafic and… you guessed it: China

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  9. Evo Morales is not a dictator. Even Freedom House says he is a popular leader elected in free and fair elections. This is just propaganda intended to taint the image of a democratically elected leftist leader because he freed his country from the dominion of American capitalists. Fuck China Uncensored. You guys are just another capitalist propaganda machine. Not every country that favors socialism is a Chinese puppet, you ignorant assholes.

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  10. US and Canadian snipers shud take out all these dictators in American Continent. They are d very source of d illegal migrants now in d borders of Mexico and d US.

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  11. CIA try harder. They were against Evo Morales from the very beginning. I don't believe any of this interview.

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  12. This exact thing is happening in the Philippines. It's amazing how China has perfected the art of corrupting and eroding other countries' democratic processes.

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  13. Unique coverage of Bolivia: I remember when Lefties cheered the first election of Morales. They claimed it was a lasting victory against the domination by the USA, that all problems in Latin America have always been caused by the USA.
    Funny how history repudiates the Left.

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  14. Best of luck! Hope bolivians get rid of their communists and socialists.
    (but it's sad that part of the resistance is so "muh minorities" progressive bs)

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  15. Well a dictator, IF he was good, peacefull, truthfull and fair, would be the best for a country. But power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    peace

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  16. china should NOT be trusted. Period!! This POS of a country is the worst when it comes to integrity and goodwill. communist china should be destroyed. Every person in this planet should NOT buy 'Made In China'. This is the only way to fully contained them. Never, EVER bowed down to them. Before anyone pulls out the stupid race card on me, I'm chinese and I'm not proud of saying that!

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  17. You can see Chinese influence pretty much everywhere in Bolivia. As soon as you land in the viru viru International airport in Santa Cruz the first thing you will see our ad for huawei. Also in Cochabamba my friend lives on avenida beijing.

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  18. Tibet was belong to China since Qing dynasty, communist China did not invade Tibet. Why do you guys want Tibet should indepent from China?

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  19. china is the true devil in this world! They taking our natural resources and they can took whatever they want for the money 🙁 Soon china will eat us alive!

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  20. Bolivia should be taking down their idiot govt. A civil war is only the answer if the US didn't take some actions on that!

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  21. How it all goes full circle. That's the link to Tesla and China. What do you need more than anything for electric power? Exactly. Did she say 70% of the world?

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  22. If you’re going to criticize Chinese neocolonialism then you better fucking criticize Western neocolonialism which this guy severely doesn’t even fucking recognize.

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  23. “Modern colonial power” the West is still doing this shit around the world it’s just that there are new players in the game like China. This guy is so fucking dense

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  24. Does it make you feel uncomfortable that contrary to your hyperbolic statements about Evo Morales, he actually did a lot of good during his time? and is just overstaying is welcome?

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  25. Here in Canada I often see positive propaganda for Evo Morales whenever South America is discussed. They push the angle that he is a man of the people, and especially that he is a native person of the Bolivian region. I never knew that he was such a corrupt and destructive leader. Thank you for exposing these lies.

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  26. damn she's extremely instructed and intelligent…have great ideals ..patriotic…latina …unbelievably cute and hot ….is she real?
    ps: too bad she speaks English like an American white girl …it will be great if she had a latino accent
    another ps : i think she smell like a tropical fruit hehehe

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  27. China after resorces again .
    They want oill gas and ,.. Lithium? They want it really bad. See to it they never get it. Soon they will be out of fuel .They will be far less biligerant then.

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  28. SOOO. Communist PandaBear is making a shithole out of South American countries, and the few smart enough to stay connected to the FREE STATES, are forced into hiding, without guns ??

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  29. Janise + Christopher sitting in a tree… K-I-S-S-I-N-G… First came oppression, then came corruption… Then came Christopher in a Chinese funded Bolivian jail.

    No Conjugal visits either <3

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  30. NEVER ELECT ANY INDIGENOUS ASSHOLE FOR PRESIDENT (once they taste better life, they become insanely hungry for power n more greedy at the expense of the nation) AND NEVER DEAL WITH ANY TOTALITARIAN COMMUNIST MAFIA THUGS LIKE CHINA #1 IN THE WORLD

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  31. China wanted to do the same thing to El Salvador. But we kicked the corrupted government out .
    You guys need a najib bukele

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  32. Chris a shout out for the courage your guest has shown as well as her dedication in learning the languages of diplomacy while exemplifying confidence in her very own power to believe.
    "Personally… I have always found this quality is as rare as a good woman, their is no chance ever replacing a woman's love willingly showered on man"….
    PS. if you have to be a feminist to understand this statement, there is something wrong with you…
    For the community please get help.
    For all woman's sake stand up to the female on female tyrannical demanding rule over other
    wemon disclosure up front or not. Teach your history giving reason wemon have their own
    ancestress dignified when spoken of that way.
    YVO

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  33. Which side would you be on, China or the USA? China horribly miscalculated themselves and the USA. In 1985 Japan took a lesson which let them proudly say 'NO' in 1989, and later 'Oh, NO' for more than 2 decades. International relations are the same as that of the organised crime groups; one big difference is there are higher authorities above the mobs while in IR the top dog is higher authorities, not absolutely, though.

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  34. A very excellent interview! And she's so beautiful and very gorgeous too aside from being smart and courageous! What's her name again? Anyways, MORE POWER TO YOU AND THAT YOUNG LADY.

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  35. There is a much easier solution to stop government corruption then voting, shoot your politicians, military leaders and your judges and take back government.

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  36. Thanks for the info on Bolivia.This is happening all over Africa. In my home country South Africa we are being subverted but many people don't even notice. The people who do notice are in the minority. The chinese have police stations on sovereign land called community cooperation centres or something along those lines. They develop and own properties that is only for rental and not for sale – sectional title where they own land and you the structure. The sale of the structure is subject to conditions. Governments allow subversion like Yuri Bezmenov said subversion is a two way process . "…those who gave the thieves the keys to their home…" – Rage Against The Machine: Mic check

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  37. Esta nueva generacion es ignorante no entiende de donde i como estavamos antes de EVO MORALES AYMA , cuanquier persona normal si un conocimiento general de la historia de Bolivia pedria se comvensida por es ta senorita, la verdad es que es una mal agradesida e ignorante, hoy ella tiene cereal para tomar su desayuno i comer 3 comidas al dia !!!!!! por que un dia en 2006 la poblacion Boliviana derramo zangre el las ciudades Bolivianas. para reconstruir un pais que estava al borde del desastre !!!!ECONOMICO!!!!!!! iiiiiiiiiiii esta muchacha se da el lujo de despreciar el sacrificio humano, que se dio en aquella Batalla de nuestros campesinos , mineros mujeres que lucharon por un futuro que ahora podemos gosar comoendo cereal i teniendo 3 comidas al dia es fasil criticar sin tener conocimiento general de la realidad Boliviana.

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  38. China owns 80% of their debt? Ugh.
    And folks accuse the US as being a resource stealer. At least the US pays something for it.

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  39. China commie regime is become more and morw aggressive and assertive, they thought they have replaced the US and already become the sole superpower in the world.

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  40. Prince Harry once said that pangolin will soon goes to extinction even kids don't know what the creature is chinese uses pangolin scale to make chinese medicines, as well ae donkey skin.

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  41. she is not saying anything about the economic growth of bolivia it is true that it is largely due to raw materials but it is progress, we have more money than ever, I am against the government because of the restrictive nature of government with private enterprise, but she only says the bad thing as if we were living an inferno and that is not true

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  42. The evil shit here is, IMF and WORLD BANK.
    Wow China owns 80% of debts, and no control of the economy.
    This is white and jewden propaganda BITCH. F. O.
    4444 😁😁😁😁

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  43. Bolivia es un país soberano demócrata
    no mientan al mundo sus payasaditas.
    porque está persona vaca daza trabaja para CIA de EEUU en contra las indijenas

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  44. Vaca evo morales no es dictador en bolivia noay dictadura.
    eres una payasa sino sabes diferenciar loque quieres es extender el rejimen de EEUU porque eres entrenada por la CIA de EEDD.

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  45. también uno de tus compatriotas que trabaja para la CIA de EEUU esta distorsionado para sumir en ambre y miseria.
    otra cosa ocúpate de tu país y no de Bolivia

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  46. Just an update, the belt and road initiative is only meant to slave other countries, they never complete any project that in reality would not be so useful anyway, the latest example is Pakistan, Just few days ago from the date of writing this comment(23/09/2019), China stopped giving the funds to Pakistan due to allegations of corruption, what's ironic here is that the corruption is the only way they kinda force other countries to agree to their terms and conditions, by bribing the officials( the general population will never support any Chinese construction project),, so one can figure out, that the Chinese communist party is using the corruption as an excuse to finally stop the funding of the projects( there's virtually zero revenue coming from the cpec, but the date of repayment is closing in) so basically, now the pakistanis are trapped, the gwadar port that was supposed to skyrocket the pakistani economy has absolute zero maritime traffic, and the last ship that reached the gwadar port was a chinese ship carrying workers and construction materials, and that too was in march last year(2018), the project is virtually over, the continued baloch resistance has made the connecting highway almost useless, as the security cost is greater than the revenues that's close to null anyway, you see the pattern, they never complete projects but through the loans they indeed makes the countries heavily indebted to them

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  47. Well i hate to say it as im very much against the CCP and Communism in general but Chinese investment is simply the better option for Bolivia which is exactly why they take it.
    Their other option would be US investment which is from their point of view in no way better than Chinese investment with the one difference that if they dont play along with the directives given by Washington the US would use the war on drugs, the CIA or direct intervention to subjugate or topple a govenment that isnt doing the best for US interests.
    China on the other hand will only be able to use its secret service against Bolivia.
    China as [email protected] up as their system is does not pressure its "partners" overseas like the US does and that is the reason why allot of these third world and developing countries prefer Chinese money. The wealthy elite of Bolivia, which Harvard studied Jhanisse Vaca-Daza is a part of, isnt too happy about this because they cant get richer in the socialist hellhole Bolivia is and therefore do what they can to delegitimize that government and its actions. However as shitty as this government is it is democratically elected and the majority of the people are still pro Morales.
    I wouldnt be astouned if the CIA got to her during her studies in Harvard and offered her a job and there are indications for that.
    I mean if i was the CIA executive for South America i surely would approach Bolivian expats for that reason.

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  48. The Bolivian People as a whole is doing much better under Evo Morales. There is some issues with the Evo Morales Government, but that is no comparison to the right wing Eurocentric corporatist government that this video is advocating for. The Natives are done with right wing governments!

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