Vinay Sahsrabudhe is a member of the National Executive of the Bharatiya Janatha party.. Rahul Easwar is the spokesperson of the Sabarimalai.. And Captain Sushil Bhatt is a maritime expert who feels that this was an accident and not man slaughter in the first place but my first question tonight..Is to Rev Father Babu Joseph.. of the Delhi archdiocese.. With all respect father.. Why is this diplomatic incident.. nautical incident.. Why is this of any concern at all.. to the cardinal.. And what does the cardinal.. who is sitting in the Vatican.. What interest.. What..what.. What business does he have i’m sorry to say.. With this whole incident.. Why is he meddling in it.. First of all i think.. the cardinals office itself first put out a report this evening.. Saying that he was not properly quoted by Italian news agency.. Infact.. Vatican in no way has intervened in the whole affair.. This is purely a matter between Italy and India.. And the diplomatic channels are open.. And they are continuing their dialogue.. And we must respect that dialogue.. then allow the course of action to take place.. No No No.. Secondly I think.. Cardinal Alencherry is from Kerala,
Father…father… Father..you are not.. Father.. with all respect, you are not completely right.. Because I even have the second statement.. issued by the Cardinal half an hour back.. Let me tell you what he says.. He says.. This issue should be resolved through peacefull negotiations And should not aggravate into friction between people.. Where is the question of act being act.. Whose that that carries within an implicit assumption. That if today we are as Indians are asking for justice and telling the Italians you better answer for what you have done.. Why should a cardinal sitting in Vatican even wave the red flag? That this can be.. potential point of friction.. I mean you are questioning the basis of Indian law and justice.. Does the cardinal not have faith? You know cardinal Alencherry is from Kerala.. and is a respected religious leader..er.. leading a sizeable section of er.. the catholics in kerala.. This is not a religious issue
and as a responsible citizen.. And as a religious leader, I think he has every right to express his concern over the unfortunate incident that happened where two Indian fishermen were killed.. and he has clearly said.. the law must take its course and if people are found guilty.. they must be punished according to the law.. I think he is within his total rights to express his opinion on this just as anybody else.. I don’t think there is anything inappropriate in expressing his view.. But i think there is a.. There is certainly a misconception.. probably in the media and by certain section of society and even in some parties.. that Vatican has involved in it.. But the fact remains that the Vatican has never ever involved.. If at all Vatican wants to get involved.. There is a diplomatic channel.. The Vatican has a diplomatic relation with India.. There is a ..er.. ambassador here.. And that is the channel normally they would take.. They would never ask its cardinal to speak on behalf of the Vatican.. Because that is the procedure that is laid down.. This is not a religious issue.. It is not a communal situation.. In religious affiliations and whatever.. He may be very.. from Kerala.. he may have great stature but it has got nothing to do with him or his position in the religion.. This is a completely different matter.. If the cardinal has been misquoted to such a great extent then why should the matter just be settled.. The matter has.. if..if the.. Why do we now want to brush it under the carpet.. The cardinal now says you know the story has been pulled off by the Italian newspaper.. its all settled.. i wish for a clarification.. I think the cardinal should sue.. the Italian publication if he is really.. He should sue the agency of Italy.. Why is he not suing them? He is just claiming the baton is set.. Lets get Rahul Easwar at this point.. Rahul.. Arnab ji.. three very quick points.. One.. I come fom kerala where one of the first Christian communities of the world rose.. Centuries before Vatican.. And am proud about the nationalistic Christian heritage.. where they took the Coonan cross oath saying that they will never have submission to the foreign forces and will fight for India.. Cardinal Alencherry is generally seen as a very secular person.. nationalistic person.. He is not pro conversion.. He has been patriotic.. But we are sad and shocked by this incident.. How can a religious figure.. Be it of any religion take a stand against India.. in an alien land.. diluting our position.. against what has happened.. And let me be very.. Now he says hes been misquoted.. And.. and one m ore thing.. No no Rahul.. .now he says he has been misquoted.. And let us.. I would like to read out what he says.. He says.. He says this report is not correct.. all I said the incident which claimed val.. claimed two valuable human lives should be seen with seriousness.. Legal action should be taken.. It should be resolved through peaceful negotiations.. And Arnab ji if.. Should not aggravate into friction.. If I can add to it.. Between people and nations.. Yes.. The Italian news agency didn’t retrack.. They didn’t take back the news.. Neither did he.. did they apologize or express regret.. And they have been even giving minute political details of Kerala.. where an election is going to happen.. And they have been quoted the cardinal saying.. He called the catholic ministers of Kerala.. and to deal with the issue.. Now the issue has gone out of proportion.. We would request the holy Rev cardinal to come out of a statement and give very clear cut.. unambiguos answer.. It is a direct diplomatic grow between India and Italy.. And I’m very sure he will choose India.. The fact is.. I am talking about the incident happening in the area of Indias economic jurisdiction upto 100 nautical miles.. India’s special economic zone.. used for activities like fishing and oil exploration.. It is within our rights to ask the Italians what was the.. And it was a shoot and scoot operation captain.. you know that.. They shot.. They shot the Indians and wanted to get away before they were caught.. No..it wasn’t.. It wasn’t.. Yeah.. its easy for me to sit in my living room and say it was a shoot and scoot operation.. Had such an incident happened.. Had such an incident happened when Indian gaurds.. would have shot Italian fishermen.. Yes.. In waters within or close to the Italian coast line.. Would the Italians have let go off the Indian gaurds and allowed their trial on Indian soil? Would you.. Can you even believe that that would have happened? The answer is no!
are you.. Are you trying to tell me that.. We should go for an eye for an eye? Is that what you are saying?
i am saying that we.. Should stand up for ourselves.. We should stand up for our own.. Ofcourse we are standing up.. Let us stand up for the law.. The question is what is the Vatican’s interest in all this.. Rahul Easwar wanted to respond.. Vinay Sahsrabudhe wanted to respond.. Go ahead please.. Rahul you want to go first… Go ahead.. Nobody can miss the irony.. A secular nation India is fighting for the rights of two killed Christian fisherman .. Against a so called religious.. If I can use the word.. religious Italy.. And remember.. these are poor people.. This valentine and Jalastian are poor people.. Has there ever been a record of pirate tracking team in this area? Why did they shoot? Why were they so insecure? What was the ship doing there? They are serious suspicions among the common public.. And we should make it clear.. It is the responsibility of the Indian state.. To clear the air.. And I am surprised that many people in India are advocating the Italian cause.. I don’t know what may be the good.. But they are advocating it.. And.. One more very serious allegation has rose from Kerala.. That Kerala police is diluting the FIR to suit the Italian purpose.. No no Arnab one quick.. I mean.. I..I entirely support the.. I entirely support what Rahul is saying but.. My one.. one particular question in my mind is.. whether the religious leader has said anything about his meeting with the catholic ministers in the Indian cabinet or Kerala cabinet.. Its not about the ship.. Its about bringing justice to the victims of this unfortunate incident.. In that tonight.. all of us.. all of our four panellists are united tonight.. Thank you very much for the debate number 2 tonight..