Libertarian Oblivious to “Who Built That”

Libertarian Oblivious to “Who Built That”


let kidhu upon from an eight four seven
area code e there is earphones of but down the debt uh… yes i am aaron jones-trumpet page
uh… libert debate here i’m sorry i’m a libertarian and i like the big
year fantastic let’s do this oak whether well what what would you like to
uh… what is there a particular issue that you would like to uh… talk about
or what akbar video a argue from last december eleven november
on your show uh… disinvited libertarians to debate uh… and you
were talking talking about the utopian is a lot of it and uh… and talking
about somalia uh… i’m going to wondering if you have any
questions for me pretty clear yes uh… how do you believe in such fantastical
notions well um… i i could answer out of the
late you go to the returns to enter our will
win with the last time the free market exists in the country and i would argue
that it has never existed in anything you could really on country because the country has uh…
in did the governmental apparatus is this and part of that the definition of the state has a
monopoly on uh… on on pulp and distributing public goods
and services so i would argue that uh… you know
society that has been governed by a single country has any kind of uh…
libertarian utopia medicare protested i agree totally so um… uh… ended yet you think it can exist i think you can uh… i think it doesn’t
necessarily require the abolition of government per se certain he doesn’t
require the evolution of governance or any kind of social or economic order of
the day in kind of dynamic uh… social up social order but uh… we can still have governance
and investment i just think it has to be a exceeded two voluntarily and um… i wouldn’t go a step further
than the libertarian to embrace the constitution by saying that even the
constitution was not put on the american public about it drooping sentiments uh… really drafted by a fifty-five
uh… fifty five people who had the ability to choose um… who i think the point of this government on it all populistic not be enough people
you can choose not to be covered by the british in america and buggers or
anybody else bridal so you see my point here i mean i could
save you ok woven how about this everybody can uh… sent
to uh… the uh… the constitution and our governance here and if you don’t like it do you know
leave and you’ll tell me what there’s nowhere
for you to go because then you have to uh… uh…
assent to somebody else’s governing thing and this is why i say it’s utopian in a
fantasy land and then what happens is uh… what
libertarian say to me well uh… they give an example you know i do
think that world peace is possible uh… total peace and i say probably not
may go but you still aspire for that but the problem is is that when you aspire for more freedom as you talk about door i’m not sure whatever the term is used
and i wanna put words in your mouth as you pursue that what happens is is it knowing that you can never get there uh… the promises all you do is on
shackle the restraints that are on these corporate bodies uh… that began to basically in slave
us in a more dramatic fashion uh… and we become enslaved to might
makes right and that’s it a little clipper pellet very bitter i
mean i i i think all indicate whether other there on the left for the right
they are going to copy and in that they want their own conduct breed or liberty
or whatever and and it wont grow world but explorer without a crime and unprotected center something that
two-inch who aspire to i mean i think it’s not
the state particularly possible that it if the goal that should always be trying
to be achieved so well when you lose their for more peace
or less crime the journey even if you don’t ever get
there at the journey there is not as destructive as the journey to this libertarian
utopia because the journey to this libertarian utopia unless you get there
it is a completely binary situation because this notion where you do not
have governing uh… government constraining any actors in society means
that you will necessarily have those who amassed power and then app nasa even more and more power and exploit everyone
else i do think that uh… some butler
libertarian cutest journey into a libertarian utopia could be dangerous
because cooper corporate power and it could allow for the kind of uh…
further though kind of violent chaos become between one st and uh… a
revolution to bring to the another state because there be a period and the tyler
no one is governing and and that uh… that and that really would last forever because we think of these because you’ll
never get to that utopian state so i mean that’s my point libertarian that’s fine to have a
utopian vision and if we could just jump to that utopia which is impossible uh… not just the existence of that utopia my
estimation because you can these are always going to organize and that is just the nature of human
beings um… but deepak after the journey there as actually far
more oppressive and exploitative okay well you can you had a question
before about uh… about regarded if you like it get out uh… uh… thurs that was kind of ratings
approach the vote with their feet anywhere he if you live in america is
you’ll each have the opportunity to choose to move if you can look for it to to move to the states where at st
louis policy people either left or practice but those simply discard or or poor people who
unfortunately are predisposed to committing crime there there are coming
to you circumstance it’s hard for them to choose a uncovered
without without in your local orbital so away to solve that problem is that
simply what the state uh… it incurred states to offer
citizenship status if people living in neighboring states
if you can have a kind of competitive government in every city uh… and i i didn’t you tell same
problem all over again it’s just you have fifty of those problems instead of
one the elect them we have if their problems
well but i i p i’m not sure answer i’m afraid i the
timing and these important have any government
that pushed on that without their consent ended uh… and government we’re going to be
viewed it as a are all the services provided by government would be unit as
commerce and he viewed in the context of a market so there would be competition nor would have to itself they don’t want based on where
they where they live or where they are walking the weather writing why is it that much cheaper to
move our state says it would be a tid different uh… country positively for temporary was a cheaper
for me to move from new york to uh… arizona then new york too to mexico uh… we’re talking about how other
about whether people are not talking about how uh… uh… there actually a
libertarian and socialist anarchy uh… idea belt belet allow people to choose
who cover them regardless of where they live and without movie if we have enough expansion of
government market engineering markets in the neighboring territorial jurisdiction and people would eventually not happen
he will get a company should be able to choose to go into them without moving a
little bit so where they are and and and and and just narrowly following what you’re talking
about uh… apparel depict you turned for
other you cannot go national personal property national personal communism anarchy with the p uh… agar dot p_r_i_ assembled ralph
uh… right and left anarchist dition good at sick to get to this lady i’m talking
about and i think it could be taken hostage possible buying you do you think
any of us as possible me anywhere what you’re talking about
the depicted this is even remotely i do but i don’t think any of our
coalition even the most libertarian ones will be willing to put into place do you think any of this is possible if none of the politicians are gonna put
this into place and uh… arm the the poor people you talk about him
about the country uh… don’t have access to inundated
online access do you army do you think any of this is possible
which you think is more possible that uh… you and i will become uh… uh… multimillionaires or that uh…
did that this will happen activity it looking at the court
possible that we could become retrograde there and i i think it simply a matter of
people of people look at this government uh… voices on the without their
consent justice something that uh… that
rebelling against the stage impact has someone college by only is really just a
so uh… dr pen inability of people to he beat me we we
have to have competition to provide government services and and that people
take up the slack that government left behind her that there if you go into the fact that there’s
that but there’s a market for some kind of different agencies to
compete with the states and if people could start offering their
own services whether help carey in any anything that but including dot including common
defense and uh… personal property um… i
would like to act on it what about the share whatever they call
themselves now i’m in uh… did that we have private armies days in medicare id antigenic good
example of uh… health care provided by the private that that ended up being more expensive out you know all this is fine but it is
honestly it so fantastical that it’s not even in the realm of of is not in the realm of politics because
as we go down like i say you know i don’t even know this notion that we’re going out perfect
competition it has never existed what you’re talking about has never
existed in anytime there’s never been a time in human
history where you have to competing armies and people somehow in the mail can just
decide randomly like under join an army running to join the army what more often happens is one of the
army’s gets there first decides that we’re going to kill off ’em you know
certain population we’re going to forcibly drafty others we’re going to
rate the women and we’re gonna kill the children that’s what’s i wouldn’t call it we can about the army
burger on voluntary action i mean i’m not i mean i’m talking about private
armies or non-governmental armies or or whatever you know your that you’re living in a
world that’s not even like delegates thrones is closer to reality that what
you’re talking about and i’m talking throughout history you
can find and short tiny pockets of where uh… people are born into societies and
then willingly or just a born into nature i guess and then willingly uh…
join societies but they’re certainly if even then they’re being coerced by the
fact that they can’t possibly do anything on their own that could sustain at butler terri popular armies but uh…
but collective breath while preparing people to be looking grim reality
director at the post but i’m also wondering about how you can
describe blackwater for private army is in the public by a taxpayer don’t forget
that government contract bottega private contracts to they work
for around the government’s just one of
their clients blackwater gets a gets gets money from mile corporations to from anybody who’s
got the money don’t work for ocr well how much money how much work money do
you think they would have preferred another government contract recruiter
corporations paying them significantly half they’d still exist that the smaller business uh… you know
that their private entities that they’ll get government on tax you get contact some other governments i mean i i i don’t know what world
you’re living in that any of what you’re talking about to
come about uh… imploring his rupert simple there
are no taxes being levied there are no police officers on living internet and
libertarian etiquette utopia right now uh… i have never ever want to go but i
don’t think under police protection agency living in a libertarian ito kept
my own creation ok and uh… how did you build up how did you create
that drive all and what’s that device that you’re using to call me uh… on how did that get developed give ron how are you are or art you’re running water where you are are you saying there would be no water
but up governments now i’m asking is in new york utopian
room there in your utopian house do you have one
inc water at how did it get there and i have a phone and i i think that
ball with money and i think that i would were it not for the federal reserve
dollar i would have bought it with some other currency or through ordering it my
way burke are used for that israel on the internet order are you listening to this show on
the internet i’m not but i do have internet isn’t that tainting muir or libertarian utopian paradise and mean without the cover letter did the government built that well figuring what we survive so to be contest contractual myself i mean
there’s no cop in the room killing at least so do i no no no no no the nana nine out don’t ride is a parallel between the
fact that the government built the internet andy covering any government
that lets you live that’s not the does are not does not pay
their that is not hot apparels that is not an analogy i think that if you’re doing with the
fact that you’re not equilibrium in a libertarian utopia in that room looting yourself you would not be able to communicate
with me in that place if it existed you would
not know that i was alive you would not know that i had made a
challenge on utube and it could work it would occur to you
know if they were if they were not for a private internet providers in private
computer maker indeed i am not calling for the abolition of uh… the above of of private uh…
internet companies and not turn out for you under your saying there should be no
government you’re claiming that you’re living in a libertarian bobble and
you’re not you’re not i’m a cruel or that i’m a cruel
voluntarily resign posters through social order through a social
interaction on others how do you think you know it’s off of the advantages you
bet from the government from the tax dollars
from society and then you byu you your you yet knew
this is like the usually you you’re you’re saying that i
am find floating in the middle of the of the of the of the sky and you realize
you’re standing on a building under saying that i own underground i
think that there’s nothing in my life i owe to take that with the third party or
voluntary appropriation bunker interaction or even government unjust
i’m not anything that the american government should be abolished under
think it should allow for competitors and it should allow cats have
competitors there’s a lot of countries around the world uncaring competitors in the same imaging
territory in hahahaha and i don’t think that if i
can see it abrasion of appreciate

100 Comments on "Libertarian Oblivious to “Who Built That”"


  1. Libertarians make a false dichotomy between freedom (as in barely any government at all) and government regulation of "everything" (as in 1970s Britain at best, North Korea at worst).

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  2. Libertarians talk like governments don't have to produce good services since there is no competition but of course there is competition, the other nations.

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  3. I was a libertarian anarchist for awhile and I tried like this guy to square the circle, but it just does not make sense and stands on such a weak foundation.

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  4. didn't realize the "progressives" had a glen beck of their own. the political scene is full of clowns on all sides, thoroughly enjoying it 🙂

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  5. gee I want that world,no wars & no crime. Sounds like he lives in my fantasy world, & I ride a unicorn, great place to live, wish it was real, NEVER HAPPENING

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  6. He's saying there would competing private armies for the territory and thinks that's a good thing. The word for competing armies in the same territory is WAR

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  7. Libertarianism should just be called Vacuumism since everything, even themselves, seems to exist in one in their feeble minds.

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  8. He really lost it at the end. "Everywhere that I don't see a government agenct is a libertarian utopia." Ridiculous.

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  9. I really don't understand ancap praxis when it comes to actually reaching there goals. Ancoms and other Anarchist tendencies openly support revolution which makes sense and is possible but ancap seem to think that if a lot of people woke up tomorrow as ancaps we would automatically arrive in the proper society. It's just delusional.

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  10. "competitors in the same territory"
    that's what is called armed militias and terrorist organisations
    he's literally advocating for america to become somalia

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  11. the security of the suburban male adolescent mind begets libertarian Utopias…..{how so?}….well……ie: the suburban adolescent mind totally lacks any insight beyond the presumption of its own suburban security cocoon …..{picture a toilet bowl without any plumbing …..&….you are capable of imagining beyond the suburban security cocoon….

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  12. Communism also works in theory, but it Does not work due to human nature. Same goes with libertarianism, except at least even communism works in libertarianism.

    Libtars assume the free market is a natural thing the government has corrupted. When in fact the free market is artificial, man made, and only works in the parameters created by the state it exists in

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  13. I wouldn't want to live in this version of a libertarian society. So if we were to ever have that, they would be foisting that on me without my consent.

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  14. Its just… If you have 2 ppl living next to each other under different rules of law that is an issue. In one house maybe slavery is legal and the other it isnt? Thaaaats gonna go over well. Also, what, there are going to be 2 half measure police forces? how do they know whose laws apply to who? None of that makes any sense.

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  15. He wants competitors in the same territory? Um we had that, it was called the Confederacy, there was a war, they lost. And the Confederacy was an inferior government to the Union.

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  16. They did show this scenario where each corporation has their own army in #The mutant chronicles #featuring tom jane and Ron perlman #in my opinion very entertaining and thought provoking movie 3 out of 5

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  17. "…people who are more pre-disposed to crime due to their financial state…" Seriously dude? Are you suggesting that ridiculously wealthy people and corporations that are robbing the general population blind are OK? Are you completely stupid?

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  18. Aspiring to be better than what we are, is what drives us to grow and become better than what we were, so aspiring to universal peace, whilst unlikely it will ever succeed, will lead to longer and longer periods of almost universal peace.

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  19. To be fair, this guy is the only "libertarian" who has started with the phrase "I believe there is a role for governance". His point was that in his immediate area there's no-one forcing themselves on him, so therefore it should be possible in a wider area. Still nuts, but you gotta be fair 🙂

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  20. This is weak. He might not like the government but at the moment he is required to use the internet partially developed by the government.

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  21. There is a prominent ignorance of public use of reason….finger in ear – la la la la la la – finger in ear.

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  22. Noam Chomsky says that he is a social libertarian. The difference between Libertarianism in the US and elsewhere is rather extreme. So when people start getting in to social libertarianism and anarchosyndicalism it's just not the same as the Libertarianism in the US.

    Isn't he sort of describing what the soviet union was supposed to be? Collective groups of people forming unions which then would bargain for control of resources etc. The whole nonaggression and volunteering assumption that they make is where it goes kind of unrealistic. At least as long as we don't have viable democratic systems. But it just ends up being a lot of double speak when you have government and nonrepresentational government, but they use "government" to describe inherently nonrepresentational government. That's how they assume that all government is undue force and that only private greed driven groups are somehow more moral.

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  23. “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

    ― George Carlin

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  24. Libertarians are born on 3rd base while advocating for volunteerism and no government. While that is possible on a remote island living in conditions before the Enlightenment. The minute the trade leaves your island, your town, your city, it becomes more problematic. And I like vaccines, clean safe water, breathable air . . . This utopian bubble is another example of abandoning critical thinking.

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  25. Bottom line, do you like roads? Do you like armies to protect us? If you don't want your tax dollars funding such things done go live in a cave. 99% of the people in America do want these things

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  26. It's more than just the internet. The government helps bridge the gap between what is possible and what is profitable. The government helps fund research on medical techniques that might save the callers life at one point.

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  27. The left of centre is oblivious to the major accomplishments and improvements wrought by private enterprise. These accomplishments include designing, and selling cheaply, the IT hardware and software that makes YouTube possible and free to access. The authors who first made me appreciate the massive changes that private enterprise has carried out, are Marx and Engels, in their Communist Manifesto.

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  28. That last point… ROFL "There should be competition… different countries on the same territory.." Omfg…. Afaik that's called war!!! I can't stop laughing…..

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  29. Libertarian system would be great if everyone is born on completely equal settings and same opportunities, and the ONLY major differences are biological/skills, meaning they can just trade freely without problem. However people are not born equal, some get more, some gets less and cannot compete unless something help level the playing field.

    Because libertarians, unlike what they claim, believes that life is fair, and things will balance it out if people are free to do whatever. But life is NOT fair, and in order for society and people to coexist and be productive, we must sign social contracts to basically say “ok, let’s all put money together to help farmer joe expand his land so he can survive, and in exchange he share extra food he can plant. If you don’t contribute, then you don’t get food from joe, at all.” (Sometimes, they also say “since you are such a D-bag about helping peopleu, maybe we shouldn’t help you either.”)

    Or “let’s out money together to make sure we can get medicine if some of us is sick. If you don’t pay, you get your own medicine when you get sick.” Aka universal healthcare.

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  30. There were countries with little crime. They were the USSR, Yugoslavia, etc and the US destroyed them all

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  31. If an anarchist libertarian system worked the way they think it worked, with no need for any kind of gornment, society would have achieved perfection millenia ago, before the invention of government.

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  32. Sam you made yourself look ridiculous when you got huffy and emotional while talking to this guy who was perfectly calm and polite. It was really frustrating, actually.

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  33. He's talking about government like insurance markets. One could say I really like the garbage collection offered by gov A but I prefer the water quality of gov B. Gov C doesn't offer either but you can burn your garbage in the back yard plus they offer a discount on bottled water and a free gun. Or If you can could afford a gold plan go for gov D and get everything.

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  34. "you're saying like: 'I am floating in the middle of the sky!' and you don't realize you're standing on a building."

    It was at this moment that Sam Seder created the perfect analogy to Libertarian counter-factuals.

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  35. Translation of the Liberatarian ideology: I want all the benefits of living in the United States without having to pay for it. Who's the leech now, asshole?

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  36. 3:14 trying to get to a libertopia, along the way you unshackle the restraints on corporate powers that would exploit you, and you become slaves to those corporations.

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  37. If this dude was still a Libertarian after Sam shitting all over every single idea he had, he is immensely dense and a danger to others.

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  38. The caller is right. Competition would start kicking in and Amazon and drones and chickens and everything would be better.

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  39. Most libertarian city is Hong Kong. Almost pure capitalism, little to no tax, no entitlement programs. Highest cost of living in the world. Life is very shitty for middle and lower class only good for the rich.

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  40. Wait… But if he wants "competitors" to the government within our own country isn't that basically describing how war or civil war starts? We may not have kings anymore governing us, but we damn well need a governmental structure. That's what our constitution is.

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  41. I've thought before about some of the stuff this guy was saying, like if I didn't like how the government spends my tax dollars what if I could just choose to be governed by someone else and live under their laws? But as far as something that's actually possible that would create competition in our government, what if when you file your taxes you could choose which programs you do or do not want your taxes funding for the next year? Then I could elect not to have dollars spent on increasing our military budget and funding private prisons.

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  42. Libertarianism is an infantile, self contradictory, amorphous fuck of nothing that can provide no nexus as how to impliment it in the real world, precisely because it is a fuck nothing and is just further proof of Einstein's theory of our capacity for infinite stupidity.

    I have never heard Libertarians debate their brand of stupid before, and they are utterly incoherent and incapable of staying on point…..that there is no point doesn't help.

    About 15 years ago, some organization was seriously selling plots of land on the moon. How does that work Mr Libertarian?

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  43. That's why most actual ( i.e. left) anarchists aspire to building utopia from WITHIN the confines of the current socio-economic system rather than removing first the state and then see what happens.

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  44. I’m binge watching these libertarian debates and I’m amazed at the fantasy world libertarians live in. The biggest delusion that I see is that they think they’re not half baked conservatives.

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  45. It sounded like that caller was describing the world of Snowcrash. Has Neal Stephenson become a libertarian prophet?

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  46. Are all libertarians Social Darwinists? Jesus Christ, poor people have a predisposition for committing crimes. . .wtf???

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  47. What would being a citizen of one state, but living in another, do exactly? You still have to follow the laws of the state you are in. If I'm in Michigan, but a citizen of Ohio, I still can't shoot off my fireworks in Michigan. If I'm a citizen of Oregon living in Idaho, I still can't smoke weed there. You can't live in California, but choose to obey the tax policies of Texas. Wtf is he talking about.

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  48. Libertarianism 101: always buy the shittiest phone you can find. A free one from a garbage can,if possible.

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  49. So he's suggesting that like, you could live in Texas but elect to only be subject to the laws of Vermont, or something like that?

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  50. If you have a society based completely on competition, the people that win out aren't the best. They are the ones that are the most ruthless and are willing to lie, cheat, kill, and steal the most. You need regulation to have "pure" competition. This idea that everybody will play fair and not try to gain power when there is no government is a fantasy. The only utopian future I think is realizable is a classless, non-competitive, democratic society based on mutual aid, where people that have fantasies of wealth and power over other people are treated like they have a mental health issue and have no avenue to pursue those goals. I don't think this will end up being utopian, but it certainly sounds better than what we have now. In principle, democracy can work really well when the general public has a high level of competency. Democracy is only as good as the people and I think on average the people are good enough to do better than capitalism.

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  51. Caller says "I'm living in my Libertarian Utopia right now in my living room." problem is buddy someone can come into you living room and kill you take your stuff, no police to stop them. And then they are living in THEIR own private Libertarian Utopia over your corpse and belongings. That movie Mortal Engines? That's Libertarian Utopia

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  52. Eventually it’s take what’s already created and devolve to be beholden to Robber Barons and corporations while if possible leave the vestiges of government just for jingoistic purposes and a police state

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  53. I mean are there actual sound and reasonable arguments for libertarianism? Are these people just not able to present them accurately? Or is it really this silly?

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  54. The Journey to the Libertarian Utopia is Crony Capitalism, and the the workers will push back to Keynesian Policies of the 40’s 50’s 60’s (they push for socialism, but government will push for Keynesianism to compromise).

    Then the game starts again, they only need one recession and they will push for libertarian ideas again on the behalf of the business owners.

    Keynesianism-> Short Recession-> Liberalization Pushes-> Several Recessions-> More Liberalization Pushes-> Crony Capitalism-> Demand Stagnation-> Workers Revolt-> Socialism Pushes-> Ends up in Keynesianism again (we’ll have to, to solve the Demand Problem).

    Let see where the world is leading towards, right know we are at the stage of Crony Capitalism and the inequality is so high that Socialism gets more and more popular.

    After every economic recession since 1970 until now the world got more and more Neoliberal/Neoclassical policies.

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  55. I've been randomly watching a lot of these. It seems like a lot of people who call themselves libertarians are really ancaps

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