Ma Vie Citoyenne: Europe / Evin Incir

Ma Vie Citoyenne: Europe / Evin Incir


Bonjour à tous et bienvenue dans Ma Vie Citoyenne: Europe Je suis très contente d’être avec vous cela fait un moment que l’on ne c’était pas vue. J’espères que vous allez bien Aujourd’hui nous avons l’honneur d’être avec Evin Incir
who is an MEP from Sweden she is part of the social and Democrat group Evin thank
you so much for joining us today it’s such a pleasure to have you and and it’s
so good to have you here can you maybe like explain a little bit of where you
from how come you here what’s your first
impression of the European Parliament so thank you very much to you for for
having me it’s my pleasure or pleasure to be here
well I would say my engagement or why I am my interest for the European
Parliament is start it started actually quite early and one of the biggest
reason is that I see that more and more issues needs to be dealt with from
cross-border perspective that there’s the countries or the nations themselves
the states themselves cannot alone address those issues it’s about climate
change which is our one of our biggest topics right now it’s a matter of having
a having a globe world to live in in the future or not it’s about migration to
being able to do together take the responsibility for people who are in
need because one state cannot cannot do everything by itself but more states
many states can do much more and there are there is quite a lot of issues that
I early on felt that these issues they really need to be tackled from another
level then on a state level and I also have always been a firm believer firm
believer of in international solidarity I do not believe that solidarity should
ever see any national borders so that for from that perspective the the
national parliament has never been a choice for me but the European
Parliament have been because I felt that that’s where I could do
the things that I would and the things that are close to my heart but I would
also be frank with the saying also that it has not always been a goal for me to
sit in the European Parliament what has been the most important is to be able to
work for human rights for democracy for international solidarity regardless of
in which forum it is talking about you just talked about things that are closer
to your heart you are part of the LIBE Committee which is the civil who deal
with civil liberties and the fundamental rights at EU level and in September you
were also part and leading the EU anti racism week you also took part of into
the EU girls week I mean you’ve already been out there and you’ve been you know
in plenary I see you because I follow you and you know I follow all the
plenary that’s one of the some people say it’s a weird pastime but it’s a good
pastime for me so I follow and you always have the right things to do like
it always seems to stood out to step up for the little guy so my question is
what are the LIBE committee priority for the next legislature what are your
priorities I think to just startup with for me when I decided that I wanted
to run for the Parliament and when then I got the honor to be elected as a
member of the Parliament it has always been clear for me regardless actually on
which kind of challenge I have taken on taking on to be very active on in the
areas and for us that I have taken on responsibilities and therefore it has
also been for me very much important to be active in not at least the plenary
session but of course also in the committees and also in the delegations
that I’m sitting that I am sitting in I think there are when it comes today I’m
sitting in actually two committees one is LIBE the Civil rights justice and
Home Affairs Committee and the other is the Development Committee and for me the
issue of them I have why I chose those two issues it’s because I see a red
thread and that is democracy human rights and
fight for those who really need to to have a voice in the forums
that they might not have a voice in right now and I would say when it comes
to the development it is of course about international solidarity it’s about
humanitarian aid is development aid it’s about helping people that are need
outside the European borders and we LIBE it is about standing up for those
values also internally I do believe that European Union could be the force the
voice on an international level that we are lacking actually right now we see
and we’re previously seen other actors as us and so on take the leadership for
democracy and human rights but they have not they have not they have now taking
steps back and there is a vacant instead of letting forces as a Russia China and
so on and fill this gap fill this gap I would like to see the European Union who
stands up for democracy and human rights to do that but in order for European
Union to really be able to do that and also to promote those values we also
need to live up to them internally we see how democracy is being dismantled in
Hungary and Poland there are issues that I think you are very much relevant that
we need to tackle and it’s not only in those countries we have also now I’m
happy actually with the change of government in Italy but the previous
government government with lega lega being one of those also started to go
the same way in Slovakia we have seen steps towards the same way as Hungary
and Poland and so on so we have huge problems when it comes to the rule of
law and dismantling of democracy the second is of course the issue of
migration we see more and more people that are in need because of humanitarian
catastrophes because of Wars because of climate change and so on and therefore
we need a European Union that stands together and together take
responsibility for people who are in need my country has been one of those
countries Sweden who have taken huge responsibility and I’m very much proud
of Sweden for doing but in a long-term one country cannot do
that if 28 country did it together it would be more it would be better for
also those people who comes to Europe and to comes to those specific countries
because we would it would also facilitate and make easier the
integration processes for example in the different countries so I think migration
is one of them and and of course the issue of rule of law the other and the
third I would say is the the the fight and struggle against terrorism the many
times the far right and the right parties are addressing it but they are
addressing it from a total other angle that I think should be addressed from
first of all I think that we as their left movements need to be speaking even
louder about those issues and put forward our solutions on how to combat
terrorism how to come back and when I talk about terrorism I talk about of
course religious terrorism but I also talk about
ideological terrorism in UK if we look at UK we see that the white supremacy
the terrorism conducted by was white supremacist is the biggest threat in the
country talking about the rise of you know
left and also you know extreme right parties like you you talk about that do
you think there is a correlation between the rise of those party and running
different you know countries and the rise of discrimination within the
European Union the rise of antisemitism in the European Union and what can the
EU do in that regards what are the step for example that the LIBE Committee is
what’s what’s in the books for the next year for example so I totally do think
that there is a correlation that there it is interlinked because those
far-right movements that are growing because of not at least because of the
the the the economic crisis that took place in
2008 and a couple of years after that they played on that gave them in a
possibility basically to grow bigger and bigger what they have done is that they
have put instead of saying that okay the economic crisis actually hit people
which means that which means that the solution then should be basically
welfare state who provides people the need instead of cutting down on the need
that the people are the things that people are in need of what they did
instead of instead is putting people against each other instead of talking
about the real things that that it’s about having a good welfare set that
provide people with the things that they are neither in they’re putting people
each other and saying look these migrants are coming if we didn’t put
money on these people we would be able to take those money and put on on on
other stuff that we’re that you would be benefit benefit benefiting on so what
they have done is constantly to put people against each other and to put
forward basically some kind of a hate between people’s splitting aside the
society and so on and of course the verbal threats verbal arguments like
that leads to leads to the the concrete and physical violence not to be too far
away so I think yeah they have actually changed their gender they have changed
their argument and the way of talking and they have put it they have drawn it
to extreme right agenda basically so talking about the verbal threat as you
said the the you talk about that Left Party needs to be louder and then you
talk about the verbal threat of like extreme right parties how do you see the
link with hate speech like because now we are facing a lot of discussion regarding
hate speech versus free speech each where’s the limit we’re like what’s
the responsibility of the media in that case I think there is quite a simple
limit is we have international laws we have human rights and when the human
rights are being undermined and not being respected then we have a problem
and this is what is happening right now when it comes to the far-right movements
they are attacking constantly our international laws within that also the
human rights they are starting to talk about for example to look into the
possibilities to take away migrants their rights as human beings right for
example to health care right to education and so on so they’re building
up both rhetoric which leads to putting people against each other but they are
also pushing towards policies which takes the rights the human rights take
away the human rights from people so what is for example the Socialists
Democrat within the European Parliament doing as you know you said you guys
need to be louder so how do you get louder in regards to hate speech how do
you what’s you know what would you say is hate speech and how do for example do
you think when it’s recognized some when somebody does hate speech on TV for
example on TV show is it okay for other media to repeat that hate speech does
that make it hate speech or is that freedom of press for example repeating
hate speech is that freedom of press or is it just spreading hate speech that
would be my question for you I would say that if the media wants to show that
what somebody have said to highlight the hate speech being used that would be
fine too to show that these people are actually using hate speech but to
multiply it and use it as if it is and then to cement it in some way to make it
something that is normal use the terms and normalize those terms then I would
say that’s not that’s not fine and that not a job of media the job of the
journalism and the idea is actually to defend a democracy
too of course show how things are but not undermine the rights that people
have regardless of the background in which color we have on our skin our
names our ethnicity and so on so yeah to show what somebody have said for example
I do understand that and to highlight for example I would take one concrete
example is the Trump issue he now and then very often do many can make a lot
of comments which I would say I it’s incredible that President in in the US I
can do but when highlighting what he is saying to show that there is actually
hate speech being used even by politician that’s not a speech by itself
but to normalizing and using it also in the media as something that is normal
and you you normalizing the terms that I would say would not be fine okay thank
you so much we’re now going to do when you talk about for me it’s you know the
role of the Parliament has this you know specific role and the link between the
role of the Parliament and the Commission I mean you just sat in the
past month on you know they had the opportunity to audition Commission
designated and one of the Commission I think like within the minority
population within a lot of like civil society who’d event like minority people
Muslim group African group LGBTQI high group especially also a migration group
they felt like they felt maybe a little bit disappointed in regards to the
designation of commissioners Schinas and the name of the portfolio the protection
of the European Way of life and I’m going to say I felt a little bit
disappointed by the Socialists and Democrats for supporting this in the end
so what happened I mean is this conditional to the change or and how can
you ensure that it will be changed before it start his job in you know in
December I will answer that but I will also answer a question that they
actually didn’t answer before and that was what we as Socialists and Democrats
are doing when it comes to hate speech and violence and the right-wing
extremism and so on I think one is the tool to stress the more the issue more
than we are doing right now that it’s talked about too later so we need to
continue pushing for it putting on the tape table and on the agenda over and
over and over again and then the second part is of course legislation to address
the hate speech address those movement being able to put people against each
other as they are doing and address the discrimination that is taking place
right now I would for example wanted to one example is I would actually when it
comes to discrimination wanted to see more holistic discrimination discrimination what’s it called
framework because today we have different frameworks which is not
holistic in that sense so I would like to see a more holistic one on a European
level that also pushes the member states to implement it in their own countries
because we might not be the best on the European level but it’s even worse in
some countries on a national level so European a union should take the
leadership when it comes to anti-discrimination not at least so when
it comes to the Commission to be frank when I started and the whole discussions
where the Commission came out I was of course very happy when in the beginning
we thought there is it’s very close team amounts might become the head of the
Commission and then the day after we heard that not at least forces as urban
as a finishing PA in Hungary peace in Poland and so on did everything in their
power in order to prevent it and in the end they managed with other interests
taking into account Tulsa from other countries we ended up
with another proposals Ursula Von der Leyen which I had actually not been heard
about before and I was at that time very sure that I might I will not vote for
for her as proposed commissioner that because of the group she belongs to
because of some political statements that she has made and so on however then
two weeks of process went by and the agenda of Ursula and Elaine’s agenda was
set which where I saw that we as socialists and Democrats managed to push
through quite a lot of social democratic policies and if we also see who voted
for her and who didn’t vote for her we see that the far I didn’t vote for her
we see even that some part of the EPP her own group didn’t vote for her
because they felt that she had given up too much to the Social Democrats to the
Socialists and Democrats and to the left in general that doesn’t mean that the
platform was perfect but it means that from my perspective the choice was okay
we managed to push through quite a lot of social democratics policies if we
don’t vote for her now what would be the alternative we might get an alternative
most probably from the EPP again from the right party again right group again
which not which not which who will not be as compromising willing to compromise
as she might be when it comes to the political content so that was why I
chose to say yes when we when we voted in in fair voted on on when appointing
her or on electing her then when it comes to commissions of course and the
different portfolios I was myself not and I am not still so much fond of
of the name the European Way of life and that it’s combined my biggest
problem is actually that it’s combined with migration because when combining it
in the way that it’s combined it sends a signal that the Europe
the threat against European Way of life it’s coming from migrant pinning people
against each other so that was and has been and is still my criticism against
the portfolio and then of course there’s Lama Delhi and also Sheena’s where we’re
saying that but that’s not about that it’s about protecting the article to
about European values and that refer and also referring to the dismantling of
democracy not at least in Hungary and Poland I understand the answers even
though I think it sends a bad signal of combining the migration portfolio with
the the issue of values and putting the name of European or the European
protecting the European Way of life however what we did actually socialists
and Democrats is we said yes but with one condition also we gave a proposal an
alternative proposal of the name of the porfolio so we have actually asked for
four for the Commissioner the president the president of the Commission to to
change the name of portfolio so that was actually one of our requirements so
let’s say yeah it doesn’t change because I’ve I saw the audition yeah and I’ve
been reading a lot of article about a lot of interview that’s the
president-elect did yeah and she doesn’t seems like she’s going to budge at all
in in the audition it didn’t seem like he was able himself to be able to do
anything about it so how can you so what happened is the way like you know it
doesn’t the name doesn’t change what’s going to happen then what does what it’s
not just your party who did like who gave like a some sort of like an alternative yeah
yes yellow the card exactly but gave a conditionality into this so what
happened when it packed like it doesn’t change you were going to vote for the
whole entire Commission by the end of this month and we are also waiting for
her to give some kind of a live sign because then she has disappeared a bitch
at least from four we haven’t heard so much from the the
the president president-elect Ursula Von der Leyen so but I’ve also heard that there
might be some slight moves I don’t know how true they are or not I hope that it
is true that she was very hot in the beginning but there might be some slight
moves and I would be very happy if if there was but before we know where she
has landed and when she then had declared I would think we would need to
have a discussion of course in the end for me it is the political content that
is the most important what do we get politically out of it
the names are signals there are sending signals and signals signs are very much
important but in the end for me what must be in the central is the political
content of do you think the European citizen can understand those kind of
signals at the same time you give them signals but you say yeah but what’s
important is the content they already have a hard time understanding what’s
the EU were about and they already are afraid of the EU and now I feel like
you’ve done so well the Commission itself I mean you’ve repulsed and said
no to three commissioners one France which has never happened before Romania
and also Hungary so you said yeah you’ve said no to those because of different
reason and some of them were regarding the values so but you are going to say
yes into this I mean it sounds a bit but I would say contradictory i understand that and know like sometimes you need to make compromises for the long term but I feel
like if you’re already because it’s such a it’s a it’s a small thing to do to
change and it’s so easy to change that’s how I see it myself but then not
changing it it feels like if you’re ready so hard for this imagine the rest
that’s you know it would be even more difficult no I do understand what you
mean and I totally agree that there are some challenges challenges to it so I
hope myself that she will understand and she
she will make a compromise on the name however but we will see when we when we
get the final final proposal presented by her how it
will look and after that we will have a discussion internally of course what it
would mean politically also which sign would it send if we say yes to not to
not having the name change but there is a difference I would say though when
when the Hungarian proposed Commissioner he was voted down because of value
reasons of course but one of the reasons was of course that he is he was one of
those actually leading the work of this dismantling of the rule of law or
disrespecting the rule of law and dismantling democracy in Hungary he was
the Minister of Justice in Hungary when all these processes started so I think
that’s a big difference to to the name of the portfolio itself so that was a
concrete person who has been part of dismantling democracy in the country
which there is an article 7 process against so I don’t think it’s possible
to compare the two situations even though of course as I said and I will
echo it again that I find it problematic of course with name great thank you so
much thank you now we’re gonna go back a little bit
one month October so that was your number four plenary it was there was a big surprise this
time right I mean I looked at agenda and I was like okay this is interesting I’ll
follow this and I’m like oh research and rescue in the Mediterranean great
because I you know I just came back from a civil society AU-EU Seminar on
migration so I was like oh this is really good I’m gonna follow this and
surprise surprise the resolution doesn’t something that was that is a LIBE
Committee priority as it’s part of migration that is part of the package
also and I’m like how something that I mean even before everybody was kind of
like certain like this was just going to be like you know another smooth
resolution I mean what happened can you tell us about like how you feel about
this I must say I was very disappointed and I was very much sad because on one
hand we had the resolution in Syria on the Turkish invasion in rojava and
northwestern Syria on the other hand which was very much progressive I would
say I’m very putting down the feets and saying that enough is enough that turkey
needs to end the invasion but on the other hand we the / we as in the
Parliament the Parliament voted down to rescue the same people there are
actually fleeing those the wars fleeing the bombs that are raining down on them
and I was as I said I was very very sad and very disappointed but this also
shows how the Parliament is composed right now it is a far-right the
far-right movements have grown we need to be frank with that they have grown
they have become even strong and we also see a EPP the the Conservative Party the
traditional conservative party who is actually looking more and more towards
the far right side and on some issues even as this case of safe and risk use
rescue go finding common ground with them to voting down the the the
resolution that would mean that the countries would together take the
responsibility of helping people that are drowning in the Mediterranean
Mediterranean Sea I do believe as I said in the beginning
that if 28 countries work together they can take they can take on the challenge
and they can take the common responsibility that is needed single
States cannot do everything by themselves it’s impossible it says
itself that one state cannot do everything
and at the same time I think it’s absurd that countries that Hungary for example
I’m polling as millions of millions of euros Hungary gets I think 14 million
euros per year four million euro sorry per year I some time thinking swedish
krons billion euros per year in different kind of support and it’s the
same countries for like for opinion it’s the same countries that says no we are
not going to take common responsibility for common challenges as for example
helping people that I need at the same time as it’s the same countries that are
dismantling democracy and not respecting rule of law and not respecting human
rights so what’s the next step for you know now this resolution is dead so what
happened next so I think we should we need to continue working on them
migraine immigration issue we need to continue making sure to have some kind
of a migration pact where which leads to all the countries taking common
responsibilities and also harmonizing the the laws on on who can say for
example the grounds on being able to stay in in the different countries
because now you can go to one country and then get a no but if you had your
try in another country you might think that you might have gotten a yes so
there needs to be some kind of a harmonization at the same time as the
countries need to take common responsibilities shared responsibility
and my last question would be the role of citizens and how do you because you
know you you explained before your background and you know and so and I
know you really like it’s important for you to go back and to really share and
to make sure like the people that voted for you understand what you’re doing so
how do you do that on on a daily basis when it comes to migration for example
how do we explain a citizen who is maybe don’t have a job who is struggling who is
discriminated isolated socially excluded how do you explain to him what you’re
doing how do you make sure explain to him like no migration is not necessarily
a bad thing for you so then they don’t feel like they are being left out
because that’s what a lot of people feel like when when it comes to migration
they feel like they’ll being left out are there about the country so yes I
feel like you’re right country needs to all the EU country needs to work
together but the countries that are having a certain message it’s also to
appease their citizens so what do you say to that you mean the people who who
see am i gray as migration as a threat to their own rights or that it doesn’t
lead to them being able to get there fulfill their needs at the state to
fulfill their needs you know one thing here that I think is important is that
we need to when it comes to poverty when it comes to or elderly not having good
pensions for example our pension to even live on people not being able to have
jobs States not being able to or not offering a good health care free and
good and free health care and education and so on to the people that’s not about
migration that’s about economic policies so we need to also address the economic
policies the root cause of the situation’s of why people are in poverty
and why in some countries the the the poverty is growing so the economic
policy I think is very much important important to address
therefore I’m I’m a Social Democrats because I do believe that we need a
welfare state that can provide the people with the needs there and the
necessary needs as free healthcare free education good pensions and then so on
so I think it’s important to to divide it to the two issues but what we see is
in country of the country we see or in some countries we see how the the
governments are cutting down on the taxes they are selling out state pub
properties and so on you cannot cut down on the Taxes and then do believe that
you would be able to have money to put on the welfare state to be able to
provide people with the basic needs so so in in that sense I think that it is
very much important to divide it on two topics and see that yeah the economic
policy is one thing the migration is you is another thing but as long as we just
cut down on taxes after taxes we will not be able to provide our citizens with
it with the needs and we will not even be able to help people that are in need
that are fleeing from bombs that are raining on raining down on them
well even thank you so much for joining us today and I mean you have another
plenary I mean you have to play Nuri’s yes this is me this is one yes I wish
you really good luck and I mean do you have anything that you want me to watch
out like in the in the next agenda for the next plenary so I have my TV time
and blanket no I think it’s going to be we don’t know that yet agenda is of
course 100% yet the the mini session agenda we already know but the other
agenda we know we don’t know yet but of course I will continue being active in
the plenary session as much as I’m also active in their in their committees one
of our there are at the mini session next week there are actually some
important topics not at least are they related to foreign issues there for
example the illegal drill Turkish drilling sin
in outside Cyprus which is I think very much important I take Cyprus as as an
example it’s the it’s a country within who is a member of the European Union
but is still divided and is occupied at north part of Cyprus is still occupied
yet today since 1974 so we have even a country within within within Europe that
that we haven’t been able to solve the situation for so that that would be I
would say is one of the issues that I would be very much active in and then
there are other points that I will try to steal speaking time for but the other
session in Strasbourg we don’t know the agenda asked ok well thank you so much
for joining us I will let’s keep in touch because I feel like there’s more
to come so thank you everyone for watching feel free to oppose to leave
your comments and your questions if you have any question for even I’m sure
she’d be happy to send you a reply and je vous dit à tous à dans 1 mois en décembre et là il y aura beaucoup Beaucoup, beaucoup beaucoup de chose allez gros bisous à Bientôt

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