The National for June 27, 2019 — Boeing Safety, Nationalist Party, At Issue

The National for June 27, 2019 — Boeing Safety, Nationalist Party, At Issue


(*)>>Addrienne: TONIGHT… SKY HIGH PROBLEMS.>>ANY FALSIFICATION OF THOSE DOCUMENTATIONS WHICH COULD BASICALLY COVER UP AA SAFETY ISSUE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.>>Adrienne: BOEING’S CONCERNS GO FAR BEYOND THE MAX 8. WE HAVE THE CANADIAN CONNECTION AND WHAT OFFICIALS HERE ARE DOING ABOUT IT. (*)>>IT IS CLEARR AS THE NOSE ON MY FACE.>>Adrienne: A WARNING ABOUT A WOULD BE POLITICAL PAARTY.>>>PLUS “AT ISSUE’S” SEASON ENDER HAS A PACKED POLITICAL SUMMER. (*)>>>AND WE’RE LIVE ALL NIGHT AS WORLD LEADERS MEET IN JAPAN. CAN TRUDEAU GET SOME G20 TRACTION WITH CHINA?>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>>YOUR SAFETY AS AN AIRLINE PASSENGER ON CERTAIN PLANES HAS ESSENTIALLY BEEN NEGOTIATED BETWEEN A U.S. REGULATOR AND A MANUFACTURER WITH A DISTURBING HISTORY. BOEING IS ALREADY IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR TWO CATASTROPHIC CRASHES. NOW WE’RE LEARNING THAT ITS SAFETY RECORD WAS RECENTLY SO DAMNING, SO ENGRAINED, THAT BOEING NEEDED TO NEGOTIATE A UNIQUE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. KATIE NICHOLSON SHOWS US HOW IT CAME TO BE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR YOU.>>Reporter: SOARING FROM CONTINENT TO CONTINENT, THE BOEING 787 DREAMLINER IS A CROWN JEWEL OF AIR CANADA’S FLEET. BUT IN 2015, ONE OF ITS PLANES SPRUNG A FUEL LEAK, WORK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE AT THE BOEING PLANT WASN’T. MICHAEL LARIS SAYS IT’S PART OF A LONG AND TROUBLING PATTERN.>>PEOPLE INVOLVED IN MAKING THE BOEING AIRPLANE WOULD FALSIFY THEIR RESPONSES ON DOCUMENTS SAYING WHAT THEY’D DONE.>>Reporter: TODAY HE REPORTED ON A 2015 DEAL STRUCK BETWEEN BOEING AND THE FEDERAL AVIATION AUTHORITY TO SETTLE A NUMBER OF INVESTIGATIONS. IN RETURN IT AGREED TO IMPROVE SYSTEMIC SAFETY ISSUES. WORKERS WHO WERE IMPROPERLY INSTALLING WIRES IN 787s. THEY FAILED TO INSERT LOCK WIRES TO KEEP BOLTS IN PLACE AND ESPECIALLY — SPECIALTY DECOMPRESSION PANELS WERE IMPROPERLY INSTALLED.>>IT’S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY’RE THERE IF THERE’S A TERRIBLE EMERGENCY THAT THE FLOOR DOESN’T GET SUCKED OUT.>>Reporter: AS FOR THOSE FALSIFIED DOCUMENTS THAT LED TO AIR CANADA’S FUEL LEAK, BOEING SAYS THAT AFTER AIR CANADA REPORTED IT, BOEING SELF-DISCLOSED TO THE FEDERAL AVIATION AUTHORITY AND CONDUCTED AN AUDIT CONCLUDING THAT IT WAS AN ISOLATED EVENT. IT SAYS THAT IT TOOK IMMEDIATE CORRECTIVE ACTION.>>THE INTERNAL PARTS OF THE TURBINE ENGINE, THE TEMPERATURES CAN BE UPWARDS AROUND 700-DEGREES. SO NEEDLESS TO SAY IT DOESN’T TAKE VERY MUCH FOR THAT LIQUID, BE IF FLAMMABLE SUCH AS FUEL, TO BE IGNITED.>>Reporter: THIS AVIATION SAFETY EXPERT SAYS THE DISCONCERTING REVELATIONS MUST BE ADDRESSED.>>WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE CULTURE, WITHIN THE ORGINISATION? IS THERE INDEED MEASURABLE CHANGES TAKING PLACE? AND ARE THEY CONSISTENT? ARE THEY ONGOING? AND, SECONDLY, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO BACK AND TAKE A HARD LOOK AT ALL OF THE VARIOUS AIRPLANES.>>Reporter: INCLUDING PLANES THAT FLY IN CANADA. TRANSPORT CANADA SAYS THAT IT’S STILL EVALUATING HOW THIS INFORMATION WILL AFFECT HOW IT APPROVES AIRCRAFT IN THE COUNTRY. LARIS HAS HIS OWN EVALUATION.>>IT RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PATTERNS OF ALL OF THOSE CASES. I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY, HOW COULD THEY KEEP HAPPENING?>>Reporter: A CASE IN POINT PERHAPS, THE DISCREDITED SOFTWARE THAT’S BLAMED FOR THOSE TWO FATAL CRASHES.>>Adrienne: SO KATIE IS JOINING US NOW. SO, KATIE, WE HAVE AN AIR CANADA JET THAT WAS PART OF BOEING’S POOR SAFETY RECORD. SO WHAT ARE THEY SAYING TODAY?>>Reporter: WELL, AFTER REPORTING THAT FUEL LEAK TO BOEING IN 2015, AIR CANADA SAYS THEY IMMEDIATELY INSPECTED THE REST OF ITS 787 FLEET AND FOUND THAT WAS THE ONLY 787 WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM. AND THEY SAY THEY REGULARLY INSPECT THEIR FLEET AND FULLY COMPLY WITH REGULATIONS.>>Adrienne: OKAY, SO THERE’S OTHER CANADIAN AIRLINES. SO WHAT ARE THEY SAYING?>>Reporter: WELL, WESTJET HAS FLOWN THE DREAMLINER SINCE FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WITHOUT ANY INCIDENTS. AND IT NOTED TODAY THAT THEY SAY THEY HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THE CONFIDENCE OF ITS DREAMLINERS AND THEY SAY THEY CAN’T SPEAK TO THE F.A.A. FINDINGS BECAUSE IT’S NOT REALLY PRIVY TO THOSE REPORTS.>>Adrienne: OKAY, KATIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>>SOMETHING ELSE FOR TRAVELLERS TO KEEP TABS ON — AIR CANADA HAS MADE A BID TO BUY A COMPETITOR. TODAY AIR TRANSAT’S MANAGEMENT SAID, YES, THE OFFER IS WORTH $520 MILLION OR $13 A SHARE, BUT THE REAL QUESTION — IS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON YOU. ALISON NORTHCOTT GOT SOME ANSWERS.>>Reporter: AIR CANADA AND AIR TRANSAT SAY THEIR AGREEMENT IS GOOD FOR TRAVELLERS, EMPLOYEES AND SHAREHOLDERS. THE AIRLINES SAY THAT AIR TRANSAT WOULD KEEP ITS SEPARATE BRAND AND ITS OWN MONTRÉAL HEAD OFFICE. BUT DETAILS ABOUT PRICES, AVAILABLE FLIGHTS AND JOBS ARE SCARCE. AIR CANADA’S C.E.O. FORESEES INCREASED JOB SECURITY FOR BOTH COMPANIES’ EMPLOYEES THROUGH GREATER GROWTH PROSPECTS. AIR TRANSAT SAYS THAT ITS CUSTOMERS WILL HAVE MORE CHOICES AND POSSIBILITIES. BUT ONE CONSUMER ADVOCATE SEES A LESS ROSY PICTURE.>>THIS IS BAD NEWS FOR CONSUMERS, FOR PASSENGERS. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MONOPOLISTIC EFFECT ON THE MARKET. WE HAVE VERY FEW AIRLINES. EACH OF THEM CONTROL A VERY LARGE CHUNK OF THE MARKET. THIS IS MAKING THAT SITUATION WORSE.>>Reporter: STILL, WITH WESTJET RECENTLY SOLD TO ONEX, SOME ANALYSTS SAY THAT CONSUMERS COULD BENEFIT FROM INCREASED COMPETITION BETWEEN THE TWO CARRIERS. JUST DON’T COUNT ON LOWER PRICES.>>AIR CANADA IS GOING TO NEED TO GET THE COST OF THIS ACQUISITION SOMEHOW. THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PRICING POWER. LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, AS A CONSUMER I WOULDN’T BE EXPECTING A PRICE REDUCTION. IT’S POSSIBLE BUT IT WILL BE DONE, IF ANYTHING, IN RESPONSE TO ANY ACTION BY WESTJET.>>Reporter: FOR TRAVELLERS AT PEARSON AIRPORT TODAY, ONE QUESTION WAS TOP OF MIND.>>DOES THAT LIMIT OPTIONS AS FAR AS SALES GO? IF THEY CONTROL BOTH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT TRANSAT’S PRICES WILL CREEP UP?>>AS LONG AS THE FARES DON’T GO UP BECAUSE THE CANADA FARES ARE WAY UP THERE.>>Reporter: THE AIRLINE WENT AHEAD WITH THE AGREEMENT, EVEN WITH OTHER OFFERS ON THE TABLE, INCLUDING ONE WORTH A DOLLAR MORE PER SHARE. AND THE CONCERN THAT OUR OFFER IS STILL OUTSTANDING AT $14 I THINK THAT THEY’LL HAVE CHALLENGES TO GET THEIR SHAREHOLDERS TO APPROVE THAT DEAL THEY SIGNED.>>Reporter: THE AGREEMENT STILL HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COMPETITION BUREAU AND APPROVED BY AIR TRANSAT SHAREHOLDERS, SOME OF WHOM SAY THAT THE COMPANY IS WORTH MORE THAN WHAT AIR CANADA HAS OFFERED. ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, MONTRÉAL.>>Adrienne: NOW HERE’S THE KIND OF PUBLICITY THAT AN AIRLINE DOES NOT NEED WHEN IT’S UP FOR SALE. THIS VIDEO SHOWS AIR TRANSAT PASSENGERS NERVOUSLY LEAVING THEIR SEATS AFTER BUGS WERE SPOTTED SKITTERING DOWN THE AISLE. QUOTE, “A BUG HAS NOW FALLEN FROM THE CEILING INTO THE SEAT NEXT TO ME,” TWEETED ONE PASSENGER. “LOVELY.” THEIR PRESENCE ENDED UP DELAYING THE LONDON TO VANCOUVER FLIGHT FOR A DAY. THEY APPEAR TO BE SOME KIND OF BEETLE.>>>WHEN CANADIANS HEAD TO THE POLLS IN LESS THAN FOUR MONTHS THEY’LL SEE A LOT OF FAMILIAR PARTY NAMES BUT TONIGHT SOME PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT AN EXTREMIST GROUP WILL ALSO HAVE OFFICIAL PARTY STATUS. IT’S CALLED “THE CANADIAN NATIONALIST PARTY” AND CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT THE RCMP IS INVESTIGATING ITS LEADER. DAVE SEGLINS LOOKS AT HOW THEY MAY GET ON YOUR BALLOT AND WHO WANTS THEM STOPPED.>>Reporter: TORONTO LAST WEEKEND DURING GAY PRIDE CELEBRATIONS. EXTREMISTS FROM THE POLITICAL LEFT AND RIGHT GOT INTO A BRAWL AT THE DOWNTOWN EATON CENTRE. IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL WHITE T-SHIRTS, SUPPORTERS OF THE CANADIAN NATIONALIST PARTY, IN ON THE ACTION. ATTRACTING THIS WATCHDOG.>>CANADIAN NATIONALIST PARTY IS, IN FACT, A HATE GROUP.>>Reporter: HE’S FILED COMPLAINTS WITH POLICE, CLAIMING THAT ONE OF THE PARTY’S ONLINE VIDEOS IS HATE SPEECH AND ANTI-SEMETIC.>>EVERYWHERE THESE PEOPLE GO THEY INFILTRATE THE MEDIA. THEY HIJACK THE CENTRAL BANK. REMOVE THESE PEOPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL FROM OUR COUNTRY.>>THE KIND OF PROBES THAT JEWS HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO FOR MUCH OF OUR COLLECTIVE LIVES HAVE BEEN EXACTLY THE WORDS USED BY MR. PATRON IN THIS VIDEO, CONTROLLING THE MEDIA, CONTROLLING THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.>>Reporter: THE CANADIAN NATIONALIST PARTY IS CHRISTIAN-BASED AND ANTI-IMMIGRANT, ACCORDING TO ITS WEBSITE. ELECTIONS CANADA HAS GIVEN ITS LEADER UNTIL MID-JULY TO SUBMIT 250 SIGNATURES, ALL IT TAKES TO BECOME AN OFFICIAL POLITICAL PARTY.>>IT’S MY HOPE THAT WE CAN ALSO BEGIN ISSUING TAX RECEIPTS.>>CAN YOU IMAGINE IF NEO-NAZI ORGINISATIONS AND HATE ORGINISATIONS SUCH AS THE CANADIAN NATIONALIST PARTY ARE ABLE TO GIVE CHARITABLE RECEIPTS AS A POLITICAL PARTY? THAT SCARES THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF ME.>>Reporter: HE SAYS THAT ELECTIONS CANADA SHOULD BAN THEM. NOW CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT THE RCMP HAS LAUNCHED AN INVESTIGATION AND CALLED IN HATE CRIME SPECIALISTS. THE PARTY’S LEADER INSISTS HE’S DONE NOTHING WRONG AND SAYS THAT HIS MEMBERS FOLLOW A CODE OF CONDUCT.>>YOU WILL NOT INCITE VIOLENCE AND YOU WILL NOT USE HATEFUL LANGUAGE, AND YOU WILL DRESS PROFESSIONALLY.>>Reporter: THIS EXPERT SAYS THAT THERE’S LITTLE STOPPING AN EXTREMIST GROUP IF IT WANTS TO RUN IN AN ELECTION.>>THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNATURES, BUT AFTER THAT IT IS NOT ELECTIONS CANADA’S JOB TO DECIDE WHO OR WHO SHOULD NOT BECOME A POLITICAL PARTY.>>Reporter: THE CANADIAN NATIONALIST PARTY SAYS THAT IT HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH SIGNATURES AND EXPECTS TO BE APPROVED BY MID-SUMMER. NOW ELECTIONS CANADA SAYS THAT NEITHER THE POLICE INVESTIGATION NOR THE GROUP’S EXTREME VIEWS PROHIBIT IT FROM BEING ELIGIBLE FOR OFFICIAL STATUS IN TIME FOR THIS FALL’S FEDERAL ELECTION. DAVE SEGLINS, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: TO THE U.S. NOW WHERE NEW INFORMATION HAS REFOCUSED ATTENTION ON A SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATION AGAINST DONALD TRUMP MADE LAST WEEK BY E.JEAN CARROLL, A NEW YORK-BASED ADVICE COLUMNIST. IT WAS DISMISSED BUT TODAY IT BLASTED INTO THE HEADLINES AGAIN AND WE SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THERE’S GRAPHIC DETAIL.>>HE DID SAY “HE PUT HIS PENIS IN ME.” AND I SAID, WHAT? HE RAPED YOU?”>>Adrienne: “THE NEW YORK TIMES” POD CAST “THE DAILY” AIRED AN INTERVIEW WITH CARROLL RIGHT AFTER THE ALLEGED ASSAULT TOOK PLACE.>>AND YOU SAID, “HE PULLED DOWN MY TIGHTS, HE PULLED DOWN MY TIGHTS.”>>HE PULLED DOWN THE TIGHTS AM.>>Adrienne: THAT’S THE FIRST INDEPENDENT CORROBORATION OF CARROLL’S ACCOUNT THAT SHE PUBLISHED IN THE EXCERPT OF HER FORTHCOMING BOOK. WHAT MANY WOULD DESCRIBE AS RAPE. BUT NOT HER.>>I USE THE WORD “FIGHT,” THAT WAY I’M NOT THE VICTIM. RIGHT? I’M NOT THE VICTIM.>>President Donald Trump: I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS WOMAN IS.>>Adrienne: TRUMP’S RESPONSE IS BY NOW FAMILIAR — IT NEVER HAPPENED, HE SAID AND AS IF THIS WAS PROOF, ALSO CARROLL ISN’T, QUOTE “HIS TYPE.”>>President Donald Trump: IT IS A TOTALLY FALSE ACCUSATION. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE WOMEN ARE. I HAVE NO IDEA.>>Adrienne: HE’S USED LANGUAGE LIKE THAT BEFORE AGAINST SOME OF THE OTHER 22 PLUS WOMEN WHO HAVE COME FORWARD WITH ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT.>>President Donald Trump: BELIEVE ME, SHE WOULD NOT BE MY FIRST CHOICE, THAT I CAN TELL YOU.>>Adrienne: AS ANOTHER TRUMP ACCUSER NOTED -.>>RY REALLY NEEDS A NEW SCRIPT BUT HE’S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. AND HE’S GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT.>>President Donald Trump: I MOVED ON HER LIKE –>>Adrienne: BUT CARROLL HAS CREDIBILITY FOR THOSE WHO REMEMBER HOW TRUMP BOASTED ON A HOT HIKE IN 2005 –>>WHEN YOU’RE A STAR THEY LET YOU DO IT. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING, GRAB THEM BY THE [BLEEP] , YOU CAN DO ANYTHING.>>Adrienne: ONCE UPON A TIME A RAPE ALLEGATION AGAINST A SITTING U.S. PRESIDENT WOULD BE FRONT-PAGE NEWS FOR WEEKS. BUT AFTER CARROLL WENT PUBLIC WITH HER ACCOUNT MOST PAPERS, INCLUDING “THE NEW YORK TIMES”, INITIALLY RELEGATEED IT TO THE BACK PAGES.>>President Donald Trump: THEY’RE PURE FICTION AND THEY’RE OUTRIGHT LIES.>>Adrienne: EITHER THE ACCUSATIONS ARE JUST WHAT TRUMP SAYS THEY ARE OR AFTER YEARS OF THIS HE HAS PERFECTED THE ART OF DAMAGE CONTROL. BUT EITHER WAY THERE IS A NUMBNESS TO UNPROVEN ACCUSATIONS NOW AND ACCOUNTS LIKE CARROLL’S RISK BECOMING BACKGROUND NOISE.>>>NOW THE FIRST DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WHERE THEY BEGIN SELECTING THE LEADER WHO WILL FACE DONALD TRUMP ISN’T UNTIL NEXT FEBRUARY BUT THE RACE HAS ALREADY UNOFFICIALLY BEGUN AS DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES SPAR WITH EACH OTHER IN THE FIRST TELEVISED DEBATES. THE DEBATES HAVE BEEN SPLIT OVER TWO NIGHTS BECAUSE THERE IS RIGHT FLOW A SMALL ARMY OF DEMOCRATS VYING TO TAKE ON TRUMP. THESE ARE THE CANDIDATES FOR LAST NIGHT’S DEBATE ALONE. AND THIS IS THE FIGHT TICKET TONIGHT. BY NECESSITY IT WILL BE A NOISY AFFAIR BECAUSE FOR MANY CANDIDATES THIS IS A RARE CHANCE TO GET NOTICED AND BREAK OUT OF THE PACK. ELLEN MAURO WENT TO A DEMOCRATIC STRAFTGIST AND VOTERS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AND IN THE PROCESS SHE UNCOVERED THE DEMOCRATS’ DILEMMA.>>Reporter: A BAR FILLED WITH DEMOCRATS WATCHING A STAGE FULL OF HOPEFULS.>>I’M DEFINITELY SEEING ELIZABETH WARREN RIGHT NOW.>>I TEND TO SAY MY CHOICE WOULD BE JOE BIDEN.>>Reporter: THE SLATE IS LONG. 10 HIT THE STAGE LAST NIGHT AND 10 MORE TONIGHT. SO MUCH FOR VOTERS TO CONSIDER.>>THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD VOTE DEMOCRATIC IF THE MESSAGING WAS RIGHT.>>Reporter: BUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT MESSAGE? FOR SOME CANDIDATES IT’S POLICY.>>HEALTH CARE IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. FOR SOME CANDIDATES IT’S POLICY.>>HEALTH CARE IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.>>Reporter: FOR OTHERS IT’S MORE ABOUT BEATING DONALD TRUMP.>>IF WE GIVE DONALD TRUMP EIGHT YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HE WILL FOREVER AND FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THIS NATION.>>THE QUESTION IS — CAN YOU KEEP THE COUNTRY AND THE DEBATE FOCUSED ON ISSUES OF SUBSTANCE THAT MATTER TO AMERICANS?>>Reporter: MARK LONGABALL CREATES DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN ADS AND WORKED FOR BERNIE SANDERS IN 2016. HE SAYS THAT IT’S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST BE ANTI-TRUMP, THAT POLICY WILL WIN IN 2020.>>IF YOU’RE IN THE PERSONAL GUTTER WITH DONALD TRUMP, YOU’RE LOSING. IF YOU’RE ON THE POLICY SIDE OF THE DEBATE AS A DEMOCRAT WITH DONALD TRUMP, YOU’RE WINNING AND YOU’RE WINNING BIG.>>Reporter: BUT BIDEN IS CURRENTLY THE FRONT-RUNNER. AS THE MODERATE HIS SUPPORTERS ARGUE THAT HE’S THE MOST ELECTABLE. THE PARTY’S PROGRESSIVES SAY THAT HE WON’T EXCITE THE LEFT-LEANING BASE.>>IF WE SACRIFICE THE ISSUES OF SO MANY COMMUNITIES, I THINK THAT WE DEPRESS TURNOUT. WHAT WE NEED IS MORE PEOPLE TO TURN OUT NEXT YEAR THAN HAVE EVER TURNED OUT IN AMERICA BEFORE.>>Reporter: BACK AT THE BAR, DEMOCRATS KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHO THEY PICK THAT THERE’S ONLY ONE WAY TO WIN.>>ONCE WE DO PICK A PRIMARY CANDIDATE WE’LL ALL COME TOGETHER AND RALLY AROUND HIM OR HER AND REALLY JUST PUT OUR ALL INTO GETTING DONALD TRUMP OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP’S INITIAL REACTION TO THE FIRST DEBATE WAS ONE WORD — “BORING.” A LIKELY PREVIEW OF THE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING THAT WE COULD SEE ONCE HIS OPPONENT IS NAMED. ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>>Adrienne: SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL” –>>>THE U.S. HAS PASSED A BILL TO ADDRESS THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AT THE BORDER.>>THE YEAS ARE 305. THE NAYS ARE 102. THE MOTION IS ADOPTED.>>Adrienne: THE BILL WOULD PROVIDE $4.6 BILLION TO CARE FOR MIGRANT REFUGEES DETAINED AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER, INCLUDING SHELTER AND FOOD. THAT BILL NOW GOES TO THE PRESIDENT TO BE SIGNED INTO LAW.>>>AND CANADA’S WESTERN PREMIERS GATHERED IN EDMONTON, INCLUDING THOSE FROM B.C. AND THEY ARE OPPONENTS TO THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE EXPANSION THAT GOT THE FEDERAL GREEN LIGHT JUST LAST WEEK.>>I INDICATED TO PREMIER HORGAN OUR HOPE THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA WOULD RESPECT THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.>>THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT WE DISAGREE ON, BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT WE CAN’T HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION.>>Adrienne: NEXT MONTH ALL OF CANADA’S PREMIERS WILL MEET IN SASKATOON.>>>AND CANADIAN NAVAL SHIPS WERE BUZZED BY TWO CHINESE FIGHTER THIS IS WEEK, COMING WITHIN 300 METRES OF THE SHIPS. IT HAPPENED MONDAY IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS IN THE EAST CHINA SEA. DESPITE RECENT TENSIONS BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE SAYS THAT IN PARTICULAR FLY PAST BY THE TWO PEOPLE’S LIBERATION ARMY AIR KRAFS WAS NOT PROVOCATIVE, HAZARDOUS OR UNEXPECTED.>>>AND THAT IS JUSTIN TRUDEAU MAKING HIS ENTRANCE FOR THE START OF THE G20 SUMMIT IN JAPAN. HE’S JOINING OTHER WORLD LEADERS IN OSAKA. IT’S ABOUT A QUARTER PAST 11:00 ON FRIDAY MORNING. WE’RE EXPECTING THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY PHOTO BEFORE THE LEADERS HEAD INTO A CLOSED SESSION.>>AT THE CENTRE OF THAT SUMMIT ARE TALKS BETWEEN CHINA AND THE U.S. AS EVAN DYRE EXPLAINS WHEN THOSE TWO LEADERS GET TOGETHER THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE WATCHING, ESPECIALLY CANADA.>>Reporter: ONE OF THE BIG EVENTS IS THE BILATERAL MEETING BETWEEN XI OF CHINA AND PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. WE EXPECT THAT TO TAKE PLACE ON SATURDAY AND WE’RE HEARING EARLY REPORTS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME KIND OF A BREAKTHROUGH OR AT LEAST A TRUCE IN THE TARIFF WAR BETWEEN THOSE TWO COUNTRIES. THIS WOULD TAKE THE FORM OF A DELAY OR AN EXTENSION IN THE IMPOSITION OF THE SECOND WAVE OF U.S. TARIFFS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS THREATENED AGAINST CHINA. THIS AFFECTS ABOUT $30 BILLION OF CHINESE IMPORTS THAT SO FAR HAVE NOT HAD TO FACE U.S. TARIFFS. IT’S ALL CHINESE IMPORTS THAT ARE AT STAKE UNDER THIS TARIFF THREAT HERE. IF A DELAY WERE TO BE ACHIEVED THOUGH IT WOULD BE FAR FROM A FINAL RESOLUTION. IN FACT, IT WOULD BE A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION TO THE ONE THAT WE SAW AT THE GROUP OF 20 SUMMIT LAST YEAR IN ARGENTINA WHERE THE TWO AGREED TO A DELAY OF 90 DAYS. BUT AT THE END OF THOSE 90 DAYS THE TARIFFS WERE INDEED IMPOSED. AND WE ALSO SAW THE TWO SIDES GIVING DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF THE TRUCE, THE AGREEMENT THEY HAD REACHED. SO YOU CAN COUNT ON OTHER COUNTRIES PARSING VERY CLOSELY ANY STATEMENT THAT COMES OUT OF THIS TRUMP-XI MEETING. BECAUSE THIS IS A TRADING RELATIONSHIP THAT AFFECTS THE WHOLE WORLD. OTHER COUNTRIES, PRETTY MUCH ARE SPECTATORS IN THAT BILATERAL ARRANGEMENT. BUT CANADA MORE PERHAPS THAN OTHERS BECAUSE CANADA HAS A SECOND ISSUE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THAT XI-TRUMP SUMMIT AND THAT’S THE QUESTION WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL FOLLOWTHROUGH ON HIS PROMISE TO RAISE THE ISSUE OF TWO CANADIAN DETAINEES HELD BY CHINA AS HE TOLD PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU ABOUT A WEEK AGO. THEY ARE OPTIMISTIC THAT HE WILL RAISE THE ISSUE AND LESS OPTIMISTIC THAT WILL LEAD TO A BREAKTHROUGH, LACKING A GRAND BARGAIN IN THE TRADE WAR BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CHINA AND A RESOLUTION OF THE MENG WANZHOU CASE. PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU THIS MORNING IS GOING TO MEET WITH ONE OF THE COUNTRIES THAT HAS BENEFITED FROM THE U.S.-CHINA TRADE WAR AND THAT IS VIETNAM, THAT HAS SEEN ITS IMPORTS TO THE U.S. SPIKE DRAMATICALLY EVEN THOUGH CHINESE IMPORTS HAVE GONE DOWN AS A RESULT OF THE TARIFFS. EVAN DYER, CBC NEWS, OSAKA.>>Adrienne: AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL,” THE ASSOCIATION OKAYA GRANDMOTHERS IN OUR “MOMENT.”>>>FIRST, GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF CHINA’S MEAT BAN, WHY FOOD FRAUD IS ESSENTIALLY PART OF THE PROBLEM.>>YOUR DRIVER’S LICENSE CAN BE FAKE COPIED AND SO DOCUMENTS THAT MOVE WITH SHIPMENTS WHETHER IT (*) (*)>>Adrienne: SO PIGS LIKE THOSE WON’T BE HEADED TO CHINA ANYTIME SOON, NEITHER WILL ANY OTHER KIND OF CANADIAN MEAT. CHINA HAS BANNED IT ALL AFTER FINDING FAKE CANADIAN INSPECTION CERTIFICATES ON AN IMPORTED PORK PRODUCT. EXPERTS SAY THIS LOOKS LIKE FOOD FRAUD, SCAMMERS TRADING ON CANADA’S REPUTATION FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. AS MIKE CRAWLEY TELLS US, IT’S AN INDUSTRY WORTH BILLIONS AROUND THE GLOBE.>>Reporter: WHAT DO CANADIAN PIGS HAVE IN COMMON WITH DESIGNER HANDBAGS? BOTHS ARE TARGETS OF COUNTERFEITERS. CANADIAN MEAT IS HIGHLY VALUED ACROSS ASIA. THAT MAKES THE CANADIAN MEAT INSPECTION CERTIFICATE VALUABLE TOO. FAKE CERTIFICATES ALLOW SHADY BUSINESSES TO FETCH A HIGHER PRICE FOR THEIR PHONY PRODUCTS.>>FOOD FRAUD IS A GLOBAL PROBLEM. IT’S ESTIMATED ABOUT $49 BILLION WORLDWIDE AND WE HAVE ORGANIZED CRIME THAT ARE AT THE CORE OF THIS.>>Reporter: JOHN KEOGH JUST SPENT SIX YEARS IN ASIA AS A FOOD SUPPLY CHAIN CONSULTANT. HOW EASY IS IT TO FAKE A CANADIAN FOOD EXPORT CERTIFICATE?>>YOUR PASSPORT AND YOUR DRIVER’S LICENSE, ALL OF THAT CAN BE FAKE COPIED. SO DOCUMENTS THAT MOVE WITH SHIPMENTS WHERE IT’S PHYSICAL OR ELECTRONIC, IT’S VERY, VERY EASY TO FAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS.>>Reporter: KEOGH BELIEVES THAT THE CONTAMINATED PORK SHIPMENT THAT TRIGGERED CHINA TO BAN IMPORTS OF ALL CANADIAN MEAT PROBABLY ORIGINATED IN CANADA.>>COULD IT HAVE BEEN A FAKE PRODUCT FROM A LOCAL SOURCE? IT’S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT IT CAME FROM CANADA.>>Reporter: TO KNOW FOR CERTAIN, CANADIAN OFFICIALS NEED TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A SAMPLE OF THE MEAT. TESTS CAN PROVE WHAT THE PIGS WERE ACTUALLY FED AND MUCH MORE.>>WE CAN ALSO DO D.N.A. FINGERPRINTING OF THE ACTUAL PRODUCT ITSELF AND SEE IF THE ANIMAL IS PHYSICALLY FROM CANADA.>>WE’LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT AND WE WANT TO RESOLVE THIS AS FAST AS WE CAN.>>Reporter: CHINESE OFFICIALS SAY THAT THE PORK WAS TREATED WITH RACTOPAMINE, AN ADDITIVE THAT NEARLY ALL CANADIAN PIG FARMERS STOPPED USING SIX YEARS AGO.>>WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS PORK ORIGINATED FROM AND WHO IS INVOLVED SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, FRANKLY, TO CONTINUE AND REGAIN MARKET ACCESS INTO CHINA.>>Reporter: THE BRANCH THE RCMP THAT IS HANDLING THE CASE ALSO DEALS WITH INTERNATIONAL CORRUPTION AND CYBERSECURITY, A HINT OF HOW CHALLENGING THIS INVESTIGATION COULD BE. MIKE CRAWLEY, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL” –>>>ROSIE AND THE “AT ISSUE” GANG ARE HERE. ON THE AGENDA, THE BIG ISSUES THAT COULD SHAPE THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN. PLUS THESE GUYS TAKE SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. (*) (*)>>IT’S VERY HOT, VERY HOT. AND WE’RE ENJOYING IT. TRYING TO GET A SUNTAN.>>Adrienne: MUCH OF EUROPE IS SWELTERING THROUGH A HEAT WAVE RIGHT NOW. GERMANY, FRANCE AND POLAND AND THE CZECH REPUBLIC ALL RECORDED THEIR HIGHEST EVER TEMPERATURES FOR JUNE. IN SPAIN, PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WERE EXPECTED TO REACH 45°. THOSE HIGH TEMPERATURES HAMPERING THE EFFORTS TO FIGHT A FOREST FIRE IN CATALONIA. AT LEAST 65 SQUARE KILOMETRES ARE BURNING ENTIRELY OUT OF CONTROL BUT THE FIREFIGHTERS WARN THAT BLAZE WILL LIKELY ONLY GROW IN THE COMING DAYS.>>>AND A DISTURBING MYSTERY IS ONCE AGAIN UNFOLDING ON CANADA’S EAST COAST. TONIGHT THE BODY OF ANOTHER NORTH ATLANTIC RIGHT WHALE WAS DISCOVERED DRIFTING OFF OF QUÉBEC’S GASPE BAY PENINSULA. THAT BRINGS THIS YEAR’S DEATH TOLL TO SIX. IT’S RAISING FEARS OF A REPEAT OF 2017 WHEN 12 ENDANGERED WHALES WERE FOUND DEAD IN THE GULF OF THE ST. LAWRENCE. A NECROPSY FOR THE THIRD WHALE FOUND IS SET FOR FRIDAY. (*)>>Rosemary: IT’S BEEN A BUSY SIX MONTHS IN POLITICS — IT FEELS LIKE A LOT LONGER — ALL LEADS UP TO THE FEDERAL ELECTION. NOW JUST A FEW MONTHS AWAY. SO WHAT ISSUES SHOULD WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS? WHICH COULD SHAPE THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN? WHAT BETTER GROUP TO TACKLE THIS THAN THESE GUYS. “AT ISSUE” FOR THE LAST PANEL OF THE SEASON, OH, MY GOD, SOMEONE TOUCH WOOD — BEFORE WE TAKE A SHORT HIATUS. AND CHANTAL HEBERT AND ANDREW COYNE AND ALTHIA RAJ AND PAUL WELLS ALL HERE IN TORONTO. AND I MAY CALL YOU DURING THE SUMMER. YOU DON’T HAVE TO ANSWER BUT THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE THAT I WILL PROBABLY CALL YOU. ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO PRAIM IT AROUND, YOU KNOW, HEADING INTO THE ELECTION AND HOW THESE ISSUES MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE ELECTION. SO LET’S START WITH CANADA’S PROBLEMS WITH CHINA. SO I GUESS THAT THIS IS REALLY OUR OVERALL APPROACH TO FOREIGN POLICY, BUT IN PARTICULAR HOW THINGS HAVE DETERIORATED, I GUESS, WITH CHINA. HERE’S SOME OF WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER SAID AFTER MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: I ALSO SPOKE AT LENGTH WITH THE PRESIDENT ABOUT THE WRONGFUL DETENTION OF TWO CANADIAN CITIZENS IN CHINA AND CONTINUE TO CALL FOR THEIR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.>>Rosemary: I KNOW THAT FOREIGN POLICY GENERALLY DOESN’T AFFECT VOTERS. IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE KEEP IN MIND WHEN THEY GO TO THE POLLS. BUT WHEN YOU SEE HOW A LEADER HAS HANDLED THE CHINA FILE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL BE THINKING ABOUT AS WE, YOU KNOW, OVER BARBECUES AND WHATNOT? WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH WHAT HE’S DONE OR NOT.>>YEAH, I COULD GO TO THE QUESTIONS OF JUDGMENT AND COMPETENCE IN THE PRIME MINISTER. THERE’S BEEN A NUMBER OF FILES WHERE I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS NOT BEEN PARTICULARLY AT HIS BEST WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRANSPACIFIC PARTNERSHIP, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE INDIA TRIP, ETC. AND WHEN HIS VULNERABILITY IS THAT SENSE THAT MAYBE HE’S IN OVER HIS HEAD, TO USE A LINE FROM THE PAST, THEN THAT’S GERMANE. I DON’T THINK THAT YOU CAN FAULT HIM FOR HIS HANDLING OF THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION OF THE CANADIANS IN CHINA. THAT’S A VERY DELICATE THING. I CAN’T FAULT HIM AT ALL. I THINK THAT THE LARGER POINT THAT COULD BE MADE IS THAT THIS GOVERNMENT WAS VERY NAIVE/CYNICAL ABOUT CHINA IN ITS FIRST YEARS. IT HAD THIS KIND OF AMATEUR GEOPOLITICS THAT CHINA WAS THE RISING POWER AND THE U.S. WAS THE FADING POWER. WE WERE GOING TO ALIGN OURSELVES –>>Rosemary: THE TRADE AGREEMENTS, ALL OF THAT, YEAH.>>AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT WAS VERY ILL-ADVISED, THEY HAD NOT TAKEN STOCK OF THE CHANGES HAPPENING UNDER XI IN CHINA AND THAT THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT BEAST THAT WE’RE DEALING WITH THAN WE MIGHT HAVE IMAGINED FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO.>>Rosemary: ALTHOUGH HARPER — HOT AND COLD WITH CHINA, RIGHT?>>I’M GUESSING ALL OF THOSE GRADE FOUR FOREIGN POLICY THINKERS SPENT THE HARPER DECADE SAYING THAT HARPER WASN’T DOING THE RIGHT THING AND ENGAGING CHINA. [laughter] AND SUDDENLY JUSTIN TRUDEAU WAS NAIVE AND HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHEN AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THEY SPENT A DECADE WRITING OP-EDS TO SAY THAT HARPER IS NOT ENGAGING –>>TO BE CLEAR, I WAS NOT WRITING THOSE OP-EDS. [laughter]>>NO, NO, I’M NOT SAYING. ALL OF THOSE FOREIGN POLICY WONKS WHO ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE BETTER ADVICE, SECOND GUESSING THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY. I THINK ON THIS ISSUE A LOT OF CANADIANS ARE GOING TO GIVE A LOT OF — A BIT OF A PASS TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU BECAUSE THEY’RE GOING TO SAY IT’S ULTIMATELY DONALD TRUMP’S FAULT WITH THE TRUMP TRADE WAR WITH CHINA, WITH THE KIND OF LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE TWO. I THINK THAT IT’S PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE ARE BIT PLAYERS IN A DRAMA THAT WE DID NOT SEEK. AND TO THIS DAY I STILL THINK THAT THE INDIA TRIP IS A BETTER WEAPON FOR THE OPPOSITION AND HAS STUCK MORE THAN ANY OF THESE FILES.>>Rosemary: AND THE FACT THAT — BUT THE IN FACT HE CAN’T GET ANYBODY ON THE PHONE. THE FACT THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK TO HIM. I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT IT’S CHINA AND THAT’S HARD TO MANAGE BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT SAYS TO VOTES.>>THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS THAT ARE ALMOST LIKE A RUSSIAN NOVEL. I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT THE TRUDEAU FAMILY HAS A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA RUNS DEEP IN THE PSYCHE OF PEOPLE NAMED TRUDEAU. IT WAS HIS DAD WHO OPENED UP DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH BEIJING. HIS BROTHER HAS WRITTEN ESSENTIALLY A TRAVELOGUE BOOK ABOUT WHAT FASCINATING PEOPLE THE CHINESE ARE. AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU WITHIN WEEKS OF ANNOUNCING HIS CANDIDACY FOR THE LEADERSHIP IN 2012 WAS WRITING OP-EDS SAYING THAT CHINA IS THE KEY TO OUR PROSPERITY AND I’M THE KEY TO CHINA. CHINA IS A BIG RIDDLE FACING EVERY WESTERN COUNTRY AND I THINK THAT WE’VE HAD MORE SOPHISTICATED DISCOURSE ABOUT THAT IN MOST OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES THAN WE’VE HAD LATELY IN CANADA.>>Rosemary: HMM.>>I THINK THAT — ACTUALLY ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS THE PRIME MINISTER HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BEING MANAGED WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE FACT THAT BOTH PARTIES — BOTH MAJOR PARTIES, ARE SINGING FROM THE SAME SONGBOOK WITH CHINA, IT’S HARD TO THINK HOW HE WOULD APPROACH THE SITUATION DIFFERENTLY. I DON’T THINK THAT IT WILL PLAY IN THE ELECTION IN THE WAY THAT WE MIGHT SEE FOREIGN AFFAIRS PLAY IN THE ELECTIONS IS THROUGH DIASPORA POLITICS AND WE DON’T REALLY TALK THAT MUCH ABOUT THAT, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD. BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY ISSUES HAPPENING IN THE INDIAN COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT’S WITH THE HINDU COMMUNITY AND THE SIKH COMMUNITY, OR HOW THE CONSERVATIVES PARTICULARLY TARGET THE CHINESE COMMUNITY. THERE MAY BE MESSAGES THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT ARE BEING PLAYED KIND OF BELOW THE SURFACE IN MOTHER TONGUES THAT WE DON’T ACTUALLY REALIZE UNTIL PERHAPS WEEKS INTO THE CAMPAIGN.>>Rosemary: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CLIMATE AND PIPELINES, BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, AFTER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT’S THE CONVERSATION — IS THE ELECTION GOING TO BE ABOUT CLIMATE AND ENERGY AND HOW WE BALANCE THOSE TWO THINGS? I THINK I HAVE A CLIP HERE ABOUT THE FINE LINE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TRIED TO WALK IN ALL OF THIS.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THOSE WHO WANT SUSTAINABLE ENERGY AND A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT KNOW THAT I WANT THAT TOO. BUT IN ORDER TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE’RE GOING, WE NEED MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.>>Rosemary: THAT IS, OF COURSE, THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING AHEAD WITH T.M.X. I DON’T KNOW, I HAVE A HARD TIME THINKING THAT THE ELECTION WILL CENTRE AROUND THAT ISSUE BUT MAYBE I’M BEING NAIVE. MAYBE IT DEPENDS WHO YOU ARE. I DON’T KNOW.>>I CAN’T ANSWER IT — THAT QUESTION. BUT I’VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE PIPELINE DECISION AND THE WAY THAT IT CAME ACROSS. AND I HAVE BEEN THINKING THAT OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS FROM RACHEL NOTLEY TO JASON KENNEY THERE’S BEEN A SHIFT IN THE DISCUSSION FROM PIPELINES TO NATIONAL UNITY.>>Rosemary: YES.>>I’M NOT SURE THAT JASON KENNEY WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS HELPED JUSTIN TRUDEAU TO MAKE THIS DECISION MORE POLITICALLY PALATABLE, THAT THE OPTICS IS NOT JUST “I CHOOSE PIPELINES” BUT IT’S ALSO — I CHOOSE WHAT HELPS NATIONAL UNITY OR AT LEAST BY REFRAMING IT THAT WAY THEY HAVE ACTUALLY MADE IT EASIER TO SELL TO CANADIANS WHO MAY HAVE HAD THE KNEE JERK REACTION OF SAYING PIPELINES BAD, CLIMATE CHANGE, GOOD.>>I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR SOME TIME IT WILL NOT BE AS CENTRAL AS SOME PEOPLE ARE IMAGINING. PARTLY BECAUSE ANY ISSUE THAT’S THAT BIG, PEOPLE CAN SEE COMING A MILE AWAY. WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SEEING IS THE APPEARS MOVING CLOSER TOGETHER. YOU SAW THE LIBERALS COVERS THEMSELVES OFF BY MAKING SURE THEY APPROVED TRANSMOUNTAIN PIPELINE SO THEY CAN CONTINUE WITH THIS EQUALITY WE’RE OKAY WITH DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS DEEPING WITH CLIMATE CHANGE.” AND YOU SEE THE CONSERVATIVES COMING OUT WITH “A PLAN,” HOWEVER FLAWED IT MAY BE. BUT TO SHOW THAT THEY’RE SOMEWHERE IN THE MAINSTREAM ON THAT DEBATE AS WELL. SO PARTLY FOR THAT REASON AND PARTLY FOR THE REGIONAL DYNAMICS OF THIS. IF YOU’RE IN ALBERTA OR SASKATCHEWAN YOU HAVE MADE UP THE MIND THAW WON’T BE VOTING LIBERAL. THIS ISSUE IS NOT GOING TO BE UP FOR GRABS, IN PLAY. AND SIMILARLY IN QUÉBEC AND BRITISH COLUMBIA YOU’RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE HUGELY AFFECTED. WHERE IT CAN BE GERMANE IS IN ONTARIO AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE TO SOME EXTENT IT GOES TO QUESTIONS OF ONTARIO’S IDENTITY. IS ONTARIO A PROVINCE LIKE BRITISH COLUMBIA AND QUÉBEC, AND IS IT A KIND OF MODERN, URBAN PROVINCE WITH SOME PROGRESSIVE IDEAS ABOUT THESE THINGS? OR IS IT MORE LIKE AN ALBERTA PROVINCE — MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ITS SENSE OF ITSELF IS PARTLY OF WHAT IS UP FOR GRABS HERE.>>Rosemary: IS IT PROGRESSIVE OR CONSERVATIVE?>>AND THIS FRIEND OF THE PREMIER THAT DOESN’T LIKE THE PRIME MINISTER, VERY BASIC QUESTIONS.>>ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN INTERESTING AND THAT WILL BE WORTH WATCHING THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN IS THAT THERE’S ELEMENTS OF THE TRUDEAU ELECTORAL BASE OF 2015 THAT HAVE ESSENTIALLY RADICALIZED, OR DON’T BUY THE COMPROMISES THAT TRUDEAU ARE SELLING.>>Rosemary: GONE TO THE LEFT DO YOU MEAN?>>YEAH, ON ELECTORAL REFORM, ON INDIGENOUS RECONCILIATION, TO SOME EXTENT ON GENDER. NOT BEING RADICALIZED BUT THEY THINK THAT TRUDEAU HAS SOLD OUT. AND ON THE ENVIRONMENT. LOOK, THE SELLING POINT FOR TRANS MOUNTAIN IS THAT THERE’S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHIN CANADA’S EMISSION CAPS. AND A LOT OF THEN COMMENT THAT I SAW ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR EMISSION CAPS? WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE THE PLANET HERE. AND YOU JUST TOLD US THAT WE’RE IN A CLIMATE EMERGENCY. AND SO –>>WHICH THEY DID ON MONDAY NIGHT.>>YEAH, SO THAT’S WHY WE’RE SEEING THE N.D.P. AND THE GREENS BOTH COMPETITIVE WITH THE LIBERALS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER TRUDEAU CAN CALL THOSE VOTERS HOME IN A POLARIZED ELECTION.>>I THINK THAT THE DIFFERENT ISSUES WILL PLAY FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE ELECTORATE. AND WILL MILLENNIALS VOTE ON THE ENVIRONMENT? PERHAPS. WILL WOMEN VOTE ON THE ENVIRONMENT? PERHAPS. WHAT I AM SURPRISED BY IN THE PLANS THAT THE PARTY HAS LAID OUT IS THAT THEY’RE NOT REALLY SURPRISING AT ALL.>>Rosemary: NO.>>THE LIBERALS HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE THIS GOLDILOCKS, LIKE NOT TOO HOT, NOT TOO COLD, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. AND ANYBODY PAYING ANY ATTENTION KNEW THAT THE TRANS MOUNTAIN WAS GOING TO BE APPROVED. AND TO CHANTAL’S POINT, HE COULD HAVE GONE AND TAKEN A HARD LEFT STANCE AND SAID, I MADE THIS DECLARATION INITIALLY APPROVING TRANS MOUNTAIN BECAUSE OF RACHEL NOTLEY AND HER PRICE ON CARBON AND HOW SHE’D ATTACK COAL AND THE 100-MEGATONNE CAP ON THE OIL SANDS. AND NOW JASON KENNEY IS NOT GIVING ME A FIRM CAP — WELL, NOW HE’S KIND OF SILENT ON IT — [laughter] BUT HE’S NOT COME OUT AND SAID, YES, I FULLY SUPPORT THE RACHEL NOTLEY PLAN. THE PRICE ON CARBON — WE’RE IMPROCESSING IT. I’M GOING TO TAKE A HARD LEFT AND GO AFTER THOSE VOTERS THAT PAUL TALKED ABOUT AND WE’RE GOING TO CHASE THE REST OF THOSE NEW DEMOCRATS AND BRING THEM INTO THE LIBERAL FOLD. INSTEAD HE WENT WITH HIS TRADITIONAL VIEWPOINT, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECHES THAT HE’S GIVEN IN THE PAST IT IS REALLY ABOUT NATIONAL UNITY. LIKE, I DON’T THINK THAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU GETS UP IN THE MORNING AND THINKS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK THAT HE THINKS ABOUT NATIONAL UNITY. THAT’S THE ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT IN ALL OF HIS PUBLIC DECLARATIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE DECADES.>>Rosemary: BUT IT’S NOT ABOUT THE COUNTRY SPLINTERING , IT’S ABOUT HOW WE ARE HELPING THE WHOLE COUNTRY.>>HELPING TO HOLD THE COUNTRY TOGETHER.>>I THINK THAT IT’S ABOUT HOW DO I WIN THIS ELECTION?>>Rosemary: OKAY, I AGREE.>>DO I WIN THIS ELECTION BY TRYING TO STAY ON THE CENTRE GROUND ON THIS DEBATE? IF HE HAD DONE THAT HE WOULD GIVEN UP THE CENTRE GROUND. SO HE COULD GO AFTER — GO AFTER THE LIBERAL AND THE N.D.P. AND THE GREEN VOTE IF HE HAD A REALLY SCARY CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT HE COULD SAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LIBERAL CORRAL BUT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SEEING SCHEER DOING OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS IS MAKING HIMSELF MATERIALLY LESS SCARY. THOSE SERIES OF SPEECHES WERE ALL VERY REASSURINGLY MAINSTREAM BECAUSE HE COULD SEE THAT THE LIBERAL VOTE ON THE WHOLE AND THE CENTRE WAS A LITTLE BIT VULNERABLE BECAUSE OF S.N.C.-LAVALIN.>>THIS IS ALSO A FULFILLMENT OF A PROMISE, THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ECONOMY GO HAND-IN-HAND.>>Rosemary: THANKS, EVERYBODY. WE’LL BE BACK WIT (*) (*)>>HI, “AT ISSUE.”>>MY QUESTION TO YOU IS –>>MY QUESTION TO THE PANEL IS –>>MY QUESTION TO “AT ISSUE” –>>MY QUESTION TO THE “AT ISSUE” PANEL IS –>>Rosemary: JUST SOME OF THE MANY VIEWERS WHO SENT IN THEIR QUESTION THIS IS PAST SEASON. YOU’RE NOT ANSWERING ALL OF THOSE TONIGHT. WE WANTED TO GET TO A FEW OF THEM TONIGHT. “AT ISSUE” IS BACK, AND ANDREW AND CHANTAL AND PAUL AND ALTHIA WITH ME. AND LET’S START WITH CONNOR PETERS. HERE’S HIS QUESTION –>>WHY IS THE POLLING SO LOW AND WHAT THREAT DO THEY HAVE IN OCTOBER?>>Rosemary: WHY ARE THE PEOPLE’S PARTY POLLING SO LOW, ARE THEY A THREAT? PAUL?>>MAXIME BERNIER IS A BAD CAMPAIGNER SO FAR. YOU REACH OUT AND YOU GIVE THEM HOPE FOR A FUTURE. AND MAXIME BERNIER SPENDS HIS TIME ON TWITTER COMPLAINING ABOUT HIS COVERAGE. I HONESTLY EXPECTED THAT HE WOULD HAVE RALLIED MORE SUPPORT BY NOW. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER HE CAN RALLY MORE SUPPORT THIS FALL.>>Rosemary: CAN’T YOU RALLY SUPPORT BY MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY THOUGH? DIDN’T DONALD TRUMP SHOW US THAT AND ISN’T THAT WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO?>>YES, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY COULD BE ANGRY ABOUT, LIKE ECONOMIC INSECURITY. THAT’S NOT WHERE THIS IS GOING. WHEN MAXIME BERNIER SAYS I’M THE FREE SPEECH GUY SO WE CAN HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT ABORTION, HE MAY BE WINNING SOME VOTES THERE, BUT HE IS ALSO TURNING OFF A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING I’M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR A GUY THAT WANTS TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. HE’S DONE THAT WITH IMMIGRATION, HE’S DONE THAT WITH A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WERE NOT AS FORTHCOMING IN THE LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN. IT’S BEEN A JEKYLL AND HYDE THING FROM A VERY ECONOMIC CANDIDATE TO SOMEONE WHO REALLY WANTS TO BE POPULAR WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL THE FRIENDS OF THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT.>>I THINK THAT THERE’S A NUMBER OF FACTORS. ONE IS THAT THE CANDIDATE, MAXIME BERNIER, IS NOT A PARTICULARLY IMPRESSIVE CHARACTER. HE LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE SUBSTANCE HE’S NOT A PARTICULARLY IMPRESSIVE PERSON. SECONDLY, WE’RE NOT AMERICA. WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE KIND OF TRAUMAS THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH AND WE DON’T HAVE THE SAME CONSTITUENCY FOR THAT POPULIST APPEAL, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT GOES INTO ANTI-IMMIGRANT TYPE OF RHETORIC. THAT JUST DOES NOT PLAY WELL. AND THE THIRD THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT CONSERVATIVES WHO WERE DISCONTENTED IN THE STEPHEN HARPER YEARS BECAUSE THEY WEREN’T VERY SMALL C CONSERVATIVE WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO MAXIME BERNIER’S MESSAGE, WERE LISTENING TO HIM DURING THE LEADERSHIP RACE, ARE CONTENT TO STAY WITH THE PARTY NOW BECAUSE THEY’RE SO ANNOYED WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU.>>I DON’T THINK AT THAT PROBLEM IS MAXIME BERNIER. MR. BERNIER CAN BE A CHARMING FELLOW AND HE’S WILLING TO TALK ABOUT POLICY THAT HE’S INTERESTED IN-DEPTH. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE PARTY IS THAT IT’S SHRUNK ITS COALITION BECAUSE IT’S SEEN AS APPEALING TO RACISTS. SO EVEN IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE INTERESTING IN THE PLATFORM, MAYBE YOU’RE AN ANTI-ABORTION PERSON, YOU DON’T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS NUT. AND SO THE COALITION IS TOO SMALL.>>Rosemary: CYNTHIA THOMPSON, NORMALLY FROM OTTAWA BUT TODAY SHE SENT THIS QUESTION FROM TEXAS. EAT BARBECUE OR SOMETHING. HERE SHE IS.>>HI, “AT ISSUE.” I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT ROLE WORLD CLIMATE CHANGE WILL PLAY IN THE NEXT FEDERAL ELECTION, THANK YOU.>>Rosemary: WE SORT OF WENT OVER THAT SO, CYNTHIA, IF YOU DON’T MIND, I’LL TWEAK YOUR QUESTION JUST SLIGHTLY. WHAT ROLE WILL IT PLAY IN THE NEXT ELECTION?>>IT WILL BE A WILD CARD AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW VOTE SPLITS HAPPENS. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF LIBERAL M.P.s ARE WORRIED THAT THEIR VOTE WILL GO TO THE GREENS. WE SAW EVEN IN OUTREMONT BY-ELECTION THE SURPRISING RESULTS FROM THE GREENS. ON VANCOUVER ISLAND, WHAT ROLE, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH VANCOUVER ISLAND, ARE THEY ABLE TO PICK UP SOME SEATS? WHAT ROLE DOES ELIZABETH MAY PLAY DURING THE DEBATE? DOES SHE COME TO HELP TO PROP UP JUSTIN TRUDEAU? OR IS SHE AN ADVERSARY? A LOT OF QUESTIONS.>>Rosemary: COULD SOMEONE MENTION THE N.D.P. OR I’LL GET AN EMAIL ABOUT IT. I REALIZED THAT WE HAVEN’T DISCUSSED THEM AT ALL. MAYBE THAT’S THE ISSUE.>>I MEAN, THE CALCULATION IS THAT THE N.D.P. WAS SO WEAK, AND IT IS WEAK AND IT REMAINS WEAK, THAT THE LIBERALS WOULD WIN OFF THE N.D.P. WEAKNESS. BUT SOME OF THAT GREEN VOTE IS LIBERAL, THERE’S NO DOUBT. BUT SOME OF THAT GREEN VOTE IS N.D.P. AND THOSE N.D.P. VOTES ARE NOT GOING TO THE LIBERALS. SO THE FIRST PROBLEM FOR THE LIBERALS IS FIGURING THAT OUT. THAT BEING SAID, YOU NEED A GROUND GAME IF YOU’RE GOING TO WIN. OR YOU FEED TO SECT YOUR BATTLES. AND I DON’T THINK THAT A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN WILL BRING THE KIND OF SEATS. I THINK THAT WHAT ELIZABETH MAY WANTS OUT OF THIS CAMPAIGN IS PERHAPS THE BALANCE OF POWER IN A MINORITY HOUSE OF COMMONS. WHILE YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT WITH A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN BECAUSE IF YOU CARPET THAT SUPPORT IT DOESN’T –>>Rosemary: BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE THE N.D.P. SHOULD BE PLAYING THAT GAME TOO — NOT DOING THE WHOLE NATIONAL THING AND LOOKING FOR JUST THE PLACES THAT IT CAN WIN.>>BUT THAT MAYBE THE BIGGEST IMPACT THEY HAVE IN THE ELECTION AND NOT THE WAY THEY INTEND IS AS A TALKING POINT TO THE CONSERVATIVES. IT’S A VALID MESSAGE TO SAY IF YOU’RE THINKING OF VOTING LIBERAL IN A MINORITY GOVERNMENT SITUATION, WHAT YOU MAY GET IS NOT THE LIBERALS BUT THE LIBERALS PROPPED UP BY THE GREENS AND ARE YOU HAPPY, YOU CENTRIST VOTERS THAT MAY TEND TO VOTE LIBERAL.>>Rosemary: I WILL LEAVE IT, I COULD SIT HERE FOR HOURS WITH YOU AS YOU KNOW. THANK YOU FOR COMING, I APPRECIATE IT. BEFORE WE GO, SUBSCRIBE TO “AT ISSUE” THE PODCAST AND LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP AND OUR WEBSITE cbcnews.ca/thenational.>>Adrienne: UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL” –>>THEY SING, THEY DANCE AND THEY ARE HOPING TO WELCOME WORLD LEADERS TO THE G20. (*) [SINGING IN JAPANESE]>>Adrienne: OKAY, THAT’S PRETTY CATCHY. THE STORY BEHIND THE OSAKA GRANNIES’ LATES>>Adrienne: THIS IS OBACHAAAN, THAT’S A JAPANESE GRANNY GROUP. THEY SING, THEY DANCE AND THEY EVEN RAP AND THEY’RE WELCOMING WORLD LEADERS TO THEIR HOMETOWN OF OSAKA, JAPAN. SO THIS GROUP IS MADE UP OF WOMEN IN THEIR 60s AND 70s AND THEY OFFER THE WORLD A PEEK INTO THEIR VIBRANT CITY. THESE IRRESISTIBLE SINGING, RAPPING GRANNIES, THAT’S OUR “MOMENT.”>>[SINGING IN JAPANESE] (*) (*) [laughter]>>Adrienne: OKAY. SO “OBACHAN” MEANS GRANDMOTHER AND IT’S A TERM OF ENDEARMENT APPARENTLY IN OSAKA. THIS GROUP ACTUALLY FORMED IN 2012. THERE WERE AUDITIONS FOR THESE PARTS. HUGE DESIRE ON THE PARTS OF PEOPLE TO BE PART OF IT AND THEY DON’T SPEAK A WORD OF ENGLISH BUT ALL OF THOSE LYRICS WERE WRITTEN OUT PHONETICALLY. THEY DID PHENOMENALLY WELL.>>>THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR JUNE 27th. GOODNIGHT.

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