White Nationalism, Liberal Democracy, And The Historical Myths of Whiteness w/ Rhyd Wildermuth

White Nationalism, Liberal Democracy, And The Historical Myths of Whiteness w/ Rhyd Wildermuth


so if they were to go back far enough
into like say the Vikings or something right in the Viking lore you
know that that would somehow support their views that they have now like
they’re trying to turn their their whiteness into something that can be
associated with their their ethnic heritage but so yeah and I want to get
your thoughts on that because I might be even stating that correctly I don’t
understand what’s going on here WILDERMUTH: you’re definitely describing the situation
correct one thing that we tend to miss however and and this is particularly an
American problem though you do see that someone in some places in Europe the the
idea that the white nationalists have of their they’re angry tribal violent
ancestors isn’t an idea that they came up with that’s a that’s an idea that
liberal democracy came up with you know they they are I mean that that’s Hobbes
is uh nasty brutish and short idea and and European particularly
anglo-european so also American academics the way that we talk about
history of Europe we’ve created the sense that that you know Europe was full
of angry ravaging tribes who were always at each other’s throats and murdering
disabled people murdering queer people murdering anybody who’s slightly
different from them if you look at the history if you look at the actual
archaeological evidence you don’t even need a lot of archaeological evidence
for that you see a lot of intermixing you see a lot particularly with
culturally the cultural of intermixing one of my favorite examples of this is
in Britain the the Thames the Thames River there is a an ancient temple to
Isis on the Thames the in Egyptian goddess spread
north into into well you know pre-modern England so that there were that there
were Celts Anglos Romans etc worshipping an Egyptian goddess there that does not
fit into the white nationalist idea that you know all of these gods were or gods
of the people and they were only you know worshipped by people who were part
of that tribe but it also does not fit into the liberal democratic secular idea
that the ancient world was was close-minded provincial and always at
war with each other so so so they’re merely replicating something that you
know the rest of us say you know you talk to anarchists and they tend to have
the same sense so if they had the right idea actually and this is this tends to
be a controversial thing to say the white nationalists have an idea that is
useful and very good it’s actually something that the rest of us should be
doing which is we should reconnect to something more organic outside of Empire
you know recreating culture or creating culture that is outside of the the mass
market commercialization of you know what we’re constantly fed but they’ve
got shit history absolutely awful history on it and a lot of the a lot of
the tropes that they use if they’re merely bother borrowing from what the
rest of us have also already been told and it’s it’s remarkably easy to
racialize the Europe’s past because of actually because of the Enlightenment
you know every single one of the enlightenment philosophers that uh you
know liberals herald as these are the people we should be listening to
Voltaire etcetera they were all fucking rascist you know
yeah you know like like Voltaire specifically like he owned a
lot of stock from from slave trade yes so when people invoke these these these
folks use these white European men and say you know we need this sort of
egalitarianism we need this sort of democracy this sort of rights they’re
still following into the same trap that the white nationalists are the Liberals
and fascists are making the exact same mistake

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