WW2 – What if Soviets join Axis in 1940

WW2 – What if Soviets join Axis in 1940


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  1. In this scenario, USA would never develop nuclear weapons because all of the research were done by german scientists. When allied forces entered Berlin they found out about nuclear weapons and made scientists to continue developing nuclear bombs so they can use it.

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  2. Even with America, Britain, Germany, and even Japan. All of them at the same time cannot take down USSR.

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  3. No China, Pakistan or India? I can imagine Walmart merchandise or Apple electronics produced by South-central America or Africa. 40 years later we will join Axis…

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  4. I understand Malta surrendering from lack of supplies but not Cyprus. They are large enough to sustain themselves.

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  5. The soviet start war with Germany. They attacked Poland in september 1939. Read about ribentrop molotov pact signed in August 1939 in Moscow.

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  6. Well, techically they did, as the invasion of Poland was quite a joint Nazi and USSR plan and operation, agreed upon earlier in a secret pact.
    So.. not the right question.

    Its more like.. what would have happened if the USSR would have remained involved on the axis side after the invasion of Poland.

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  7. Germain with the nuclear bomb? Nope. Maybe 2 years after Hiroshima, but not just because Soviet join Axis.

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  8. The day jah died………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

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  9. If the Soviets joined the Axis it would have been game over
    In fact the war was decided by the Soviets and when I say Soviets I mean Russians
    Which ever side Russia picked was going to be the winning side

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  10. This question shouldn't even come up. Soviets already have what germans want. Germans want more land, and resources oil and materials. Russia already has lots of land, farm land, land for materials, oil etc.. There's not enough of incentive for russia to invade any country at this point. Imagine america invading canada or mexico again.

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  11. The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact Germany and Russia were allies until Germany wanted Russian food and oil.
    There wasn't enough oil and food for both Russia and Germany.

    Why Germany had to attack Russia.

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  12. When alies saw that germany is losing to Soviet army then they started to make plans to invade Germany…
    Read about it

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  13. 1. Japanese would NEVER side with Soviets. It's not even alternate history, it's a fantasy. Non-aggression pact is one, joining the Axis where Soviets are the leading power? Never. Japan already wasn't extremely keen on siding with Hitler and wouldn't have done that unless necessary.
    2. Soviets had communist buddies in China. Also not keen on Japan introducing "fascist" rule there.
    3. This said, I find it more likely that Japan would side with the Allies in exchange for free reign in China, American steel and British/American oil.
    4. This may seem insignificant, because IJA wasn't exactly a cream of the crop army, however with no US threat in the Pacific, Japan can send their entire fleet, and we're talking about the most powerful navy in the world in 1941 and half of 1942, to Mediterranean, steamroll Regia Marina and Kriegsmarine, cutting Germans off from the supplies and reinforcements in Africa. The battle of Atlantic is an immediate victory with Japanese Kido Butai annihilating any German raiding units before coming back to Africa, and Japanese destroyers, now equipped with British ASW tactics and gear, are more than enough to keep U-boots at home.
    5. With no need to attack SEA and war in China no longer blocked by lacks in oil, Japan can also focus on defending the Manchurian border, forcing Soviets to fight on two fronts. Obviously it won't cause the USSR to collapse, but will considerably slow them down – early war IJA was on par with eastern divisions of the Red Army, now add more troops and Ruskies are in slight trouble.
    6. These obviously change a lot of the points you present later on.
    7. Spain would also be less likely to allow German troops a passage with 6 Japanese carriers ready to bomb the shit out of it. Contrary to historical Allies, Japan would not give a fuck if Spain as much as smiled at communists. And well, with IJA reinforcements, Gibraltar, as well as Suez, can hold much longer.
    8. Arming Indians is not tricky, they've fought in WW2 anyway.
    9. Early T-34 were… well, crap. Also, what German tanks in 1942 were supposed to defeat Shermans?
    10. Also, fighting in Burma would not take a month or two. It was a meatgrinder and Ruskies, not trained for jungle combat, would just increase British kill count.
    11. Terrorist attack in US? In 1942? I don't believe there were any indications that it could take place.
    12. US didn't need months to fully mobilize in the Pacific.
    13. How is MacArthur supposed to hold in Philippines if Japan can focus its entire force there?
    14. US would have big problems with Japan in this timeline. Combined Fleet armed with Axis resources and shipyards, as well as radar technology!, can not only overwhelm USA in destroyer combat as it took place historically, but retains full Kido Butai and with Italian and Germans receiving Japanese naval expertise, at least two Graf Zeppelin and two Aquila-class carriers can join their Japanese cousins. With 10 large carriers, Taihou on the way, 2 Hiyou-class carriers , Ryuujou and Shouhou-class, Japan's command of the Pacific is unquestionable. Furthermore, without the attack on Pearl Harbour, US will play into Japan's hands by sending the Pacific Fleet right into the Japanese gauntlet. The fabled Kantai Kessen obviously does not happen, despite the entire Pacific battle fleet rushing into their deaths – Axis carriers obliterate it in the middle of the ocean. Japan takes very little losses and can continue to assert their dominance.
    15. Midway wouldn't have happened in this timeline. The only reason it took place was American reluctance to attack the Japanese – destroyed battle fleet. Look point 14.
    16. This said, no American landings can take place – Japanese air and naval superiority do more than necessary to block such moves.
    17. Saipan reinforced with Soviet and German troops (especially tanks), and IJN intact cannot fall. It's virtually impossible for USN to take the island that was supposed to be garrisoned with 200k men in OTL, but now they get heavy German and Russian equipment. And Saipan is near necessary for US to win the war.
    18. This obviously makes Tinian and Guam just as hard to capture.
    19. Lebensraum in South Africa? With all the diseases? Naaah.
    20. Again, Japan, and Germany, would never agree to such a large sphere of influence for USSR. It'd result in German-Japanese-Italian alliance aimed at the USSR.
    21. Also with the way you present American offensive in Asia, nobody would be thinking about defining spheres of influence.
    22. Japan under naval bombardment? That would end up with USN being decimated by kamikaze and traditional air strikes. Bombarding ships cannot manoeuvre that well. Keep in mind that IJA also has ones of the best pilots in the world at this point. And its air force is in great condition.
    23. Soviet resources can, but will not feed Germans. Nazis and commies just hate each others. A war was inevitable at some point.
    24. US had multiple bombs on the way as the 2nd one was dropped. The 3rd was supposed to come on 19th, and two more over next two months. However, with Germans not occupied with Ruskies and with Ruskies' resources, they could actually create their own bombs around the same time as US.
    25. All in all an interesting take, but failing early on with the assumption that Japan would join the Axis if Soviets were already a part of it.

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  14. well you guys here didn't know why hitler did not allie with russia because hitler knew the russian army was built for an offensive force not a defensive force

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  15. england would be ocupied too…u sliped that too much easy… england could`t stand a chance against germany alone, if the latter didn`t have a war on two fronts (english like the french also , are not so much fighters)

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  16. I have a better guestion , What if the British signed a peace treaty with Germany? Which really makes sense when you think about it.

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  17. Even if this happens, war between Germany and USSR would still be inevitable. Nazi and communist ideologies are way too conflicting with each other.

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  18. Adolf formed his alliance with Stalin in late August 1939. He had it made: simply finish off Britain first, that was the key. When the Battle of Britain was raging he still had his German/Soviet pact. Would Stalin have gone to Germany's aid to beat Britain, that's a key question. Also Hitler needed to ignore Goering when Goering claimed he could finish off the British at Dunkirk and the Battle of Britain with just his air force. So, hypothetically, with Russian help he does invade and eradicate Britain. After that he attacks Russia when he's ready and he deals with Japan a promise not to attack America until he has beaten Russia. If the Japanese comply he can hardly lose the war; unless he's a total moron. Fortunately for all of us he did turn out to be said moron, so laugh and be happy else we would all be working slave labor shifts or hanging out in the local gulag right now.

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  19. With China getting free you then got Oceania, Eurasia, and finally Eastasia emerging. Think about it

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  20. Germany alone almost conquer all of the europe continent .if it werent for winter, germany would invade the whole Russia .they were already 200km from Moscow at that time .If mascow did joined the axis power I thnk they will still lose? 😂 .

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  21. Автор ты идиот, ты какого хрена серп и молот нацистской курице в лапы усадил?

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  22. Even if the Soviets joined the Axis, you have to remember Hitler's hatred of communism. The alliance with the Soviets would have fallen apart at some point. Even though Hitler knew that a two front war was a huge mistake, I cannot see him allowing the Soviets to have that much land, and their technology would have advanced much faster since they didn't have Germany to contend with. The ultimate goal of Hitler was world domination, and a shaky relationship with the Soviets was something that would have fallen apart. The world may have looked much different, but there is not a realistic chance that Germany's alliance with the Soviets would have lasted. The resulting conflict between Germany and the Soviets would have weakened both and the Allies would have eventually made it a two front war again. Japan would have had to side with Germany or the Soviets. Both Germany and Japan's weakness would still have been oil and other natutal resources. There are too many unlikely outcomes for this type of alliance with the new Axis to remain stable.

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  23. The only reason this could not really happen is because of lebensuarm or something but great video

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  24. That's the biggest mistakes made by hitler 😂 if soviet join them they can conquer Europe,africa, middle east,south asia with the help of japan by conquering southeast asia and oceania. Daaaaaaaaaaaamn hitler.

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  25. 12:25 Hitler never would have came up with an atomic weapon because of these three points. 1 Many of Germany’s best scientists were expelled in the 30s for being Jewish and worked for The United States. 2 Albert Speer, minister of arms development, canceled the program in 1943. 3 Hitler thought atomic science was “Jewish science” and never cared about it.

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  26. Well, in WW2 from day one, the USA was about as neutral, as my mother in law, when I have an argument with my wife…

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  27. BS USA in 1945 figured out how to make plutonium by the TONS in WA – 10,000 little boy A-bombs in 1 year – 1946 all capitals and all infrastructure of AXIS destroyed – fallout kills several thousand Allies.

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  28. Stupid question right?
    Have ever study history? Nazi ang soviet were allies before up until hitler betrayed stalin and launched operation barbarosa

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  29. This can't be true. In our timeline the user couldn't stand the Germans until 1942-1943 and the allies could win ww2 without the ussr which makes the allies more powerful than the axis. And in real life the ussr needed USA to help making the us and uk powerful than the axis combined. So if the ussr joined the axis the war would've been won by USA and uk even if the war would've taken longer than in our time

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  30. There is still a big question comes in my mind. Why did Fuhrer invade USSR?
    1) Stalin wanted to make neutrality. He continued supplying coals and oils to Hitler to defeat France.
    2) Hitler and Stalin both did not like Capitalism.
    3) When Germany invaded Poland, Russia also invaded them from the East. But France declared war only against Germany not against Russia.
    It's true when Hitler came to power, he announced that Marxism is Germany's enemy. But when a Marxist leader wanted to help him in defeating the warmonger English then he should allow Stalin to join in the Axis.

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  31. Noting the problems for the sovjets to win in Finland….because al good military leaders where dispatched by the communists and because the sovjets could only stop the germans by massive help from the allies I do wonder if the sovjets in 1940 where a force to reckon with….In 1945 they were….but thats 5 years later.

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  32. USA no podría tener la bomba atómica sin haber invadido Alemania y haber mandado a todos los científicos alemanes a USA a desarrollarla.

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  33. Russia doesnt need to invade China, they are both communist state, except ShiangKai Shek who are more pro US democracy.

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  34. The condition of peace are ridicolous.The Axis don't take ANYTHING.THIS VIDEO HAS NOT SENSE.

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  35. First you also put Afghanistan into soviet sphere of influence although they didnt ask for it…. Then you say that Finland and Bulgaria join Axis although also in the sphere of influence of the Soviet Union?! Then Axis invade Yugoslavia….. Eloberate. btw he is called Roosevelt

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  36. America wouldn’t have had the a bombs without the German scientists if we hadn’t taken them after taking over Germany.

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  37. Allies will win, US developed its nuclear weapon at that time, soviets will easily lose to US because Soviets havent yet invent nuclear weapon

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  38. American confidential documents

    It is not for Korea that the US military entered the Korean War.

    Was to protect Japan from communism.

    If you win, communism will be like Japan

    I will attack. The United States can be seen as Korea loses,

    First of all, we should never have lost Japan

    First, why was the Korean Peninsula divided into North and South Korea after the war?

    The story goes back to the Second World War. During the war

    There were the following arrangements within the Union. After the defeat of Japan

    Post processing. The Korean peninsula, where Japan ruled,

    With the border, the Soviet Union in the north and the US in the south

    When the Korean peninsula is stable, make it independent. "

    The Koreans were divided into pro-Soviet and pro-American groups without permission.

    An internal struggle has begun. You are a Korean.

    Each of them is free to have Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

    It was founded. In the previous year, a communist China (People's Republic of China)

    was born. As a result, the military balance between the north and south changes completely.

    The Korean War is not a unilateral invasion of North Korea.

    The Korean War began with the ambitions of South Korea to expand its south territory.

    This is because of Lee, who is one idiot and ignorant obscene person.

    This man is also responsible for anti-Japanese education for Japanese after the war. Very similar to the Chinese Jiang Zemin, South Korea ’s Lee ’s late administration began to claim that Japan ’s Tsushima, Takeshima, was Korean territory. The United States did not admit at all.

    Therefore, Lee Seung-ya pulled the unreasonable “Li Se-Night Line” under international law, and first took control of Takeshima. ing.

    The good thing is that Japan can't do anything after the war. 3929 Japanese fishermen were detained by illegal seizure of Korea

    , 44 people were killed or injured during the attack, and total physical damage was

    The amount at that time is about 9 billion yen.

    Furthermore, he tried to invade Japan's Tsushima, northern Kyushu. The US noticed that and gave a warning to Lee.

    If the military is stationed in a region under the occupation of the United Nations forces, the US forces in South Korea will be withdrawn from the Korean peninsula. Lee ’s warning is completely American

    Ignored. The Korean army's main strength started moving to attack Tsushima.

    The defense of the Korean army on the 38th line, the border, has become completely weak.

    The United States was angry, and to be exact, the United States used this ridiculous action, Lee Seiya, because he wanted to fight. This means that Korea is not within the US defense range.

    After hearing this statement, Soviet Stalin immediately commanded North Korea Kim Il Sung and decided to conduct a South Invasion campaign by North Korea.

    The China (People's Republic of China), which was founded in the previous year, will also be supported.

    The Korean War began.

    As soon as it starts, Lee is not fighting but rather abandoning his allies in front of the North Korean army with weapons, evacuating and hiding their own country without weapons

    He slaughtered 200,000 ordinary citizens as Communist Party members. Lee gave up the capital, dropped the bridge and fled.

    As a result, the Korean defense line was completely destroyed. In order to save the Korean-American Allied Forces that had been driven to Busan, a former Japanese army officer made a plan for a reverse landing operation and the US military executed it.

    He succeeds in bringing the North Korean army back to the 38th line. Without the former Japanese soldiers, there would be no victory for the Allied Forces. MacArthur, the Allied commander,

    He requested President Truman to drop the atomic bomb on the Chinese People's Republic of China behind the North Korean army and block the port facing the East China Sea, but he was rejected and dismissed.

    Washington at this time had many leftists and communists in it. They did not give support to the Allies (almost the United States), but they actually supported North Korea. However, the unexpected situation of a soldier who was educated in the former Japanese army occurred, and MacArthur was too good, so he fired him.

    During the Korean War, MacArthur understands that all Japanese wars were self-defense.

    When communist forces such as China and the Soviet Union descend to the Korean Peninsula, you must protect the Korean Peninsula if you want to protect Japan, and go to Manchuria if you want to completely remove the enemy forces from the Korean Peninsula. I must.

    MacArthur has found out how important the Korean Peninsula is to Japan.

    Later, MacArthur said,

    With this war, the United States finally understood Japan's position in the Great East Asia War and the San Francisco Peace Treaty was concluded.

    The cause of the Korean Peninsula division is not Japan.

    It was a battle for sovereignty among ethnic people, and it started with Lee Seiya who hated Japan due to the civil war that he had tried to do so, and tried to get Tsushima and Kyushu in his hand.

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  39. What a silly video. Might as well have added aliens joining the Allies…or maybe they were already there…kinda makes you think…(wink).

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  40. LOL, Stalin fighting alongside Japan and giving Hitler all the resources he wants? This is a very interesting hypothetical scenario, but I think the US would still have won the war. The reason being that the US would have control of the world's oceans. The economic advantage that gives is too great

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  41. Axis would have a navy equal to allies in 2 or 3 years. So operation sealion is possible. And probably invasion of americas is possible.

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  42. The fact that England and France hated and despised Russia. The fact that England and France was afraid of Russia, would mean Germany and Russia would have went to war against each other in a different scenario. You might as well ask what would happen if Russia align themselves with aliens from the nearest star system to Earth.

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  43. Was interesting to watch. But why could the germans and soviets not build a super navy in 4 years? With unlimited resources it would have been possible. And with even more air power they could try and invade england.

    Or england is invaded already in 1941. War is over. Americans stay neutral.

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  44. The allies would still win because the US has lots of more Nukes. Also the axis would never drop a Nuke till 1949

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  45. Historically, nothing like this could ever happen.

    1) Adolf Hitler hated communism and everything connected with it. The very cooperation of Hitler and Stalin on the occupation of Poland and non-aggression was only an apron to guard the eastern front before the occupation of France. Adolf Hitler himself stated that when the war reaches 2 queues, everything is lost.

    2) Even if there were joint cooperation on the occupation of Europe and Asia, it would only be a matter of time before one of the two dictators began to destroy the other. Both dictators were set on fire, and until one of them occupied everything that he could, he would not be satisfied.

    3) The development of nuclear bombs was largely due to German scientists who were arrested after the end of the war in Europe and were given the chance to work in the development of nuclear weapons and save the lives of their families.

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